Win2Win Systems Chat & Results

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - 29.05.06

No selections matched using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £187.90.


Flat Lay'em System - 30.05.06

Tuesday's starting bank £187.90.

4 selections matched:-

Mobane Flyer - £2.00 matched at 7.8 (SP 8.0) - 15th.

Lauro - £2.00 matched at 9.0 (SP 10.0) - 3rd.

Beowulf - £2.00 matched at 9.4 (SP 8.0) - 6th.

Maison Dieu - £2.00 matced at 7.2 (SP 6.5) - 2nd.

57 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 10 winners - SR 82.46%

New bank after commission £195.71.

[Iron Chris]

End Of May Report

FLAT LAYS

S/R 85.18%

PROFIT + 2.95%

Started these the last week in April and they set of well before being pegged back by a couple of winners. We then had the dreadful day where the going changed and I was one of those who caught 4 winners out of 4 that day. Since then the system has been slowly getting back to level again with the odd winner but finished with a flurish the last two days with 9 losing lays to see it move into profit on the last day.

NH LAYS

S/R 88.05%

PROFIT + 22.11%

Again started these the last week in April and these began by going into an early loss before recovering to perform very well for the month with only a couple of blips really.

It has been very good to have the support of the other people on this thread while we all get consistent with our selections and I must say that I soon seem to have been able to get into the day to day running of these without thinking too much about the impact of losing days and am confident of being able to let things run along smoothly for a long time to come..:)

Thanks to Keith for releasing these systems, everyone for their help and good luck for June..:D

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - 31.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £257.93.

1 selection:-

Aggbag - £7.74 matched at 3.09 (SP 2.88) - 3rd.

36 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 17 winners - 47.22% SR.

New bank after commission £250.19. :)

[jonahjones]

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 31.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £222.98.

1 selection:-

Losing Grip - £6.69 matched at 2.35 (SP 2.75) - Won.

7 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 5 winners - SR 71.43%

New bank after commission £231.57. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - 31.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £195.71.

5 selections matched:-

Preskani - £2.00 matched at 9.4 (SP 6.0) - 3rd.

El Palmar - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 7.5) - 5th.

Kirkhammerton - £2.00 matched at 7.0 (SP 6.5) - 6th.

Inchdhuaig - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 9.0) - 8th.

Feast Of Romance - £2.00 matched at 8.4 (SP 7.5)- 2nd.

62 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 10 winners - SR 83.87%

New bank after commission £205.22. :)

[ray7]

Jonah I cant check back now but I also got Ten Dollars More in the 7.20 at Southwell on the flat win system.

[scaaty]

Jonah I cant check back now but I also got Ten Dollars More in the 7.20 at Southwell on the flat win system.

I didn't have it as a qualifier Ray, using the RP site - forecast odds too high if I remember correctly.

[Win2Win]

End Of May Report
We then had the dreadful day where the going changed and I was one of those who caught 4 winners out of 4 that day.


I've been stung big by sudden weather changes during the day over the years. I now always pay particular attention to the first race of each meeting and judge the ground for myself. Never believe the official ground if the weather is changeable, they will seldom move it from Good, and jockeys opinion differs.

It's best to gain experience at judging it yourself. If in seriou doubt though, don't bet, whether method or system. I prefer to lose a small potential profit, than make a huge avoidable loss.

[Iron Chris]

Thanks Keith, have certainly been looking since..:rolleyes: .. could have traded out of the last one or maybe two on that day but let it go..:(

Will struggle to form my own opinions with being at work but will certainly keep checking the goings before I place my Lays now..:)

[soapyhudson]

I didn't have it as a qualifier Ray, using the RP site - forecast odds too high if I remember correctly. - Ten Dollars More I remember writing that down at first then rejecting it!

I think you're right! Sorry, didn't introduce myself - known as Soapy been member for 2+ months and bought Flat Lay'em and NH Profit Machine just a week ago and have followed it since with nice results, thanks.

Reading the postings here I get a bit tied sometimes with what is and what isn't a pick. Yesterday Jonah mentioned Feast of Romance which I missed completely but I got the others. I seem to have loads today and am a bit concerned about my selections - I have...
Flat
Sand 20:55 2 picks
Nott 16:05 3 picks
Nott 16:40 3 picks
Yarm 17:30 2 picks
NH
Weth 19:35 1 pick
Weth 20:10 2 picks

It seems a lot! Can anyone confirm, please?:doh Soapy

[mathare]

Using Slife I get:

Flat
4.05
4.40 x 2
5.10
5.20
4.30
5.30 x 2

NH
8.10 x 2

Not checked any of the others but I can't see anything that would qualify in the 7.35 at Wetherby

[soapyhudson]

Thanks for checking - yes, you're right about the 7:35!

I still get 3 in both 4:05 and 4:40 although 1 is currently too high on betfair to lay. And, I still get 2 in the 8:55.

I make it that the 5:10 has too many in it!

Thanks again, Soapy

[mathare]

I still get 3 in both 4:05 and 4:40 although 1 is currently too high on betfair to lay. And, I still get 2 in the 8:55.Probably just a difference in the forecast odds I wouldn't worry about it.



I make it that the 5:10 has too many in it!Yeah, I account for NRs marked on the card when I do mine. I put it down to the 48hr declarations. I think as long as your consistent you'll be fine.

[soapyhudson]

as long as your consistent you'll be fine.

Until I joined Win2win that was something I never was! But, I'm learning.

Soapy:)

[Iron Chris]

Just done the qualifiers for tomorrow... :yikes: :yikes:

Flat Lays = 16

NH Lays = 6

[jonahjones]

Just done the qualifiers for tomorrow... :yikes: :yikes:

Flat Lays = 16

NH Lays = 6

Was just about to post something similar Chris!

Can't comment on the NH lays but I have 16 qualifiers on the Flat Lays using the Racing Post website. :)

[wolfcreek]

Hi!

I'm new here and maybe the first Dutch (not dutching, but from The Netherlands). I'm reading the forum for a few weeks now and I'm very impressed by the amount of information and tips here! Also Keith is very generous with his information, keep up the good work!!

I bought the Flat lay'em system today and start puzzeling right away. I found also 16 matches but am not sure if I have the right ones. Can somebody confirm these figures:

Epsom 2.10 2x
Epsom 5.20 2x
Bath 8.45 2x
Cat 3.35 3x
Wolv 2.30 2x
Wolv 4.25 2x
Wolv 5.00 3x

Thanks so much!

[jonahjones]

A warm welcome to the forum Wolfcreek. :)

I also have 16 flat lays but this includes one in the 8.15 at Bath and only one in the 5.20 at Epsom rather than two.

Selections can differ depending on whether you use the Racing Post or Sporting Life websites to obtain your forecast odds.

Good luck! :)

[wolfcreek]

Thanks Jonah!

I use the RP website to obtain the forecast odds. I missed the 8.15 selection but can not figure out why there are no 2 qualifiers for the 5.20 race. Can you help me on that?

Cheers!

[Iron Chris]

Thanks Jonah!

I use the RP website to obtain the forecast odds. I missed the 8.15 selection but can not figure out why there are no 2 qualifiers for the 5.20 race. Can you help me on that?

Cheers!

I think it might be that the forecast odds on one of them is too low..:)

[Thierry Henry]

I have two qualifiers in the 5:20 mate - Forecast odds are definitely not too low!

[Thierry Henry]

I have 17 in total:

Epsom 2.10 2x
Epsom 5.20 2x
Bath 8:15 1x
Bath 8.45 2x
Cat 3.35 3x
Wolv 2.30 2x
Wolv 4.25 2x
Wolv 5.00 3x

[Iron Chris]

I have two qualifiers in the 5:20 mate - Forecast odds are definitely not too low!

Are you using RP or SL...TH...?

[wolfcreek]

I think it might be that the forecast odds on one of them is too low..

You are right. I read the rules again and again and again and... but now I found it. Thanks!

'Unfortunately' I will go on holiday today for a week (not from profits yet..:)). I will check the results next week.

Have a good one!

[Thierry Henry]

Sorry dudes - you are right - my mistake!

[soapyhudson]

Checked all those myself and agree with 16 flat and 6 over jumps - and the comment about the 8:15 and 8:45.

Just to prove to myself there is a difference I also checked out the Sporting Life site and it sure is different - but I'll stick with Jonah's advise and use the same old one all the time!

What a busy day!

Break a leg everyone, Soapy:)

[mathare]

Using Slife I get

2.10 x 4
5.20 x 2
2.30 x 1
4.25 x 2
5.00 x 4
8.15 x 1
8.45 x 2

Nothing at Catterick for me though, at least now the way I apply the rules.

In the NH lays I get 3 each in the 7.55 and 8.25

[shaun644]

Hi,

Could somebody please confirm the selection below :-

NH Win System

2.25 Worcester

3.45 Hexham

Flat Win System

2.05 Folkstone

6.20 Southwell

6.40 Chepstow

Thanks

Shaun

[Thierry Henry]

Using RP I get:

Flat Lays

8:50 @ Southwell x 1
9:10 @ Chepstow x 2

NH Lays

1:55 @ Worcester x 1
3:25 @ Worcester x 2
2:40 @ Hexham x 1
4:30 @ Hexham x 1

[scaaty]

Hi,

Could somebody please confirm the selection below :-

NH Win System

2.25 Worcester

3.45 Hexham

Flat Win System

2.05 Folkstone

6.20 Southwell

6.40 Chepstow

Thanks

Shaun

Don't do the NH system yet but yes I've got the same selections for the Flat Win system :)

[shaun644]

Thanks for that Scatty

Shaun

[mathare]

Agreed with the NH wins and NH lays.

Slife has only the 1 Laye'm selection though, in the 8.50

[shaun644]

Thanks for that Mathare

Shaun

[ray7]

Trying not to give too much away to people that have not bought the systems but look at the 3.45 and 5.00 with regard to the third rule useing RP.

[soapyhudson]

According to RP, it's a quiet day for system lays - I only have

NH 4:10 x2

Been doing these since 26th May and with just £2 stakes have now paid for both - so, that makes me a happy! I don't know if I've missed some or not (actually come to think of it I missed laying 2 I knew about yesterday - both lost as required) but I've found 36 on the flat with only 3 winners and 19 over jumps with only 1 winner - what can only be described as terrific strike-rates!

Thanks Keith (now, I wonder if I can afford the backing systems?)

Soapy:) :) :)

[mathare]

I get 1 in the 4.10 and 2 in the 4.00 but that's Slife for you. No flat lays.

Nothing on the NH win. Not sure about the flat win as I don't do that.

[Iron Chris]

Using RP I get..

4.00 x 1 - But currently over the cut-off.

4.10 x 2 - One already a N/R though.

[wiseman33]

According to RP, it's a quiet day for system lays - I only have

NH 4:10 x2

Been doing these since 26th May and with just £2 stakes have now paid for both - so, that makes me a happy! I don't know if I've missed some or not (actually come to think of it I missed laying 2 I knew about yesterday - both lost as required) but I've found 36 on the flat with only 3 winners and 19 over jumps with only 1 winner - what can only be described as terrific strike-rates!

Thanks Keith (now, I wonder if I can afford the backing systems?)

Soapy:) :) :)

Hi soapy am just back of my hols i use the RP and i have 3 NH today

south 4.0 x 1

Her 4.10 x 2

just seen chris post

Cheers wisey:wiggle:

Hi

[wiseman33]

Selections for mon 5th using RP

NH Lays = no lays

Flat

Leic 5.0 x 1

Winds

7.0 x 2
7.30 x1

thirsk
9.15 x 3

everyone agree

Thanks wisey:wiggle:

[Iron Chris]

Selections for mon 5th using RP

NH Lays = no lays

Flat

Leic 5.0 x 1

Winds

7.0 x 2
7.30 x1

thirsk
9.15 x 3

everyone agree

Thanks wisey:wiggle:

:iagree:

[shaun644]

Mathare,
I made it 2 NH Wins selecions Today

2.00 Southwell - Won 2/1

3.10 Hereford - Lost

I have double checked and think they were both selections.

Shaun

[mathare]

That's the difference between Slife and RP I suspect Shaun

[ray7]

I got the same Shaun and one on the flat win, that lost, useing RP

[orientalexpress]

Hi ive just purchased Flay lay'em and just trying to get to grips with it.
for
Leic 5.00 x 1 = OI
Windsor 7.00 x 2 = OI

can some one please confirm so that i can delete please
thanks in advance

[Win2Win]

Use PM with someone who already has it please. :)

[orientalexpress]

Use PM with someone who already has it please. :)

apologies mate

[orientalexpress]

just wanted to ask
which is "better" out the two for flat lay em

sportinglife vs Racingpost ?

[soapyhudson]

just purchased Flay lay'em and just trying to get to grips with it.

Leic 5.00 x 1 = OI Windsor 7.00 x 2 = OI

I'm struggling a bit too, but I make it:
5'00 x 1
7'00 x 2
7'30 x 1
9'15 x 4
All from RP

Soapy

[shaun644]

Thanks for confirming my selections Ray, I also made 1 selection on the flat.

I do not make any selections Today for the Flat Win and the NH Win.

Shaun

[mathare]

just wanted to ask
which is "better" out the two for flat lay em

sportinglife vs Racingpost ?Officially, the RP. But I find SL easier to use.

[ray7]

Thanks for confirming my selections Ray, I also made 1 selection on the flat.

I do not make any selections Today for the Flat Win and the NH Win.

Shaun

Same here.

[mathare]

Slife gives 1 in the 7.00 and 3 in the 7.30 at Windsor today, nothing elsewhere

[Jammey]

7.00x1
9.15x3
check days since last ran.
WISEY the other sel. o.k.
jammey

[wiseman33]

7.00x1
9.15x3
check days since last ran.
WISEY the other sel. o.k.
jammey

Na mate definetley 2 in the 7.0," days since last ran correct" i use the Racing Post have a check again cheers wisey:wiggle:

[wiseman33]

Hi ive just purchased Flay lay'em and just trying to get to grips with it.
for
Leic 5.00 x 1 = OI
Windsor 7.00 x 2 = OI

can some one please confirm so that i can delete please
thanks in advance

Hi mate if you got any questions you can P message me if you like i have asked keith most questions you could think about for this system lol.Be careful when you pick them as its so easy to miss something or the other lads will help you out thanks wisey:wiggle:

[Win2Win]

.... But I find SL easier to use.
More pictures :D

[shaun644]

Selections for Tuesday

NH Win
6.40 Fontwell

Flat Win
2.15 Ripon

Can somebody please confirm these?

Thanks

Shaun

[roma]

Yes Shaun I have the same
:)

[wiseman33]

Tue 6th
Flat Layem system

Ripon
3.45 x1

Ling
4.0 x 2

Winds
8.0 x 1
8.30 x 1

NH Lays

Font
7.10 x 1
8.10 x 1

Anyone agree

Wisey:wiggle:

[Iron Chris]

I do.. :)

[Win2Win]

I do.. :)
You've just married Roma :yikes:

[Iron Chris]

:yikes: :yikes: .... I thought it was wiseman..:wink

[mathare]

Anyone think we need a new thread?

[Iron Chris]

Anyone think we need a new thread?

Getting that way Mat, maybe have one per month?

[mathare]

Getting that way Mat, maybe have one per month?Why not :)

[wolfcreek]

I am still on holiday but was smart enough to bring my laptop. Somebody was kind enough to install an insecured wireless AP so I can follow this most beloved forum. :)


Anyone agree

I agree on the Lay'ems and on the new thread as well. Maybe a thread per system per month to keep it simple :)

Cheers

[mathare]

Nothing on the NH win from Slife.

NH lays: 7.10 x 2, 8.10

Flat lays: 3.15 x 2, 4.00 x 2, 8.00 x 2, 8.30

[Profit Seeker]

Don't forget to name the selections so we get the same :geek :D

[mathare]

Don't forget to name the selections so we get the same :geek :DI don't need to name them, connections have already done that

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - 01.06.06

Thursday's starting bank £205.22.

6 selections matched:-

Gringo - £2.05 matched at 6.6 (SP 6.0) - 11th.

Blue Bajan - £2.05 matched at 6.6 (SP 8.0) - 3rd.

Wiggy Smith - £2.05 matched at 9.6 (SP 9.0) - 6th.

Commitment Lecture - £2.05 matched at 7.0 (SP 6.0) - 8th.

Meditation - £2.05 matched at 6.13 (SP 7.0) - 7th.

Rose Of Inchinor - £2.05 matched at 8.8 (SP 9.0) - 9th.

68 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 10 winners - SR 85.29%

New bank after commission £216.93. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - 02.06.06

Friday's starting bank £216.93.

13 selections matched:-

Akona Matata - £2.17 matched at 7.2 (SP 6.5) - 5th.

Trafalgar Square - £2.17 matched at 6.8 (SP 6.5) - 14th.

Orchestration - £2.17 matched at 10.5 (SP 9.0) - 3rd.

Hand Of Destiny - £2.17 matched at 5.0 (SP 6.0) - 12th.

Starboard Light - £2.17 matched at 8.4 (SP 6.0) - 9th.

Joshuas Gold - £2.17 matched at 5.0 (SP 4.5) - 3rd.

African Gift - £2.17 matched at 10.5 (SP 8.0) - Won.

Pick A Nice Name - £2.17 matched at 8.62 (SP 10.0) - 7th.

Divine Spirit - £2.17 matched at 4.86 (SP 4.0) - Won.

Trojan Flight - £2.17 matched at 9.63 (SP 7.0) - 3rd.

Spirit Of Arosa - £2.17 matched at 6.2 (SP 5.0) - 4th.

Holbeck Ghyll - £2.17 matched at 10.5 (SP 8.0) - 5th.

Musical Romance - £2.17 matched at 10.5 (SP 9.0) - 3rd.

81 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 12 winners - SR 85.19%

New bank after commission £210.98. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - 03.06.06 & 04.06.06

Stag party in Newcastle and in no condition to gamble! :)

Bank remains at £210.98.


Flat Lay'em System - 05.06.06

Monday's starting bank £210.98.

3 selections matched:-

Resplendent Nova - £2.11 matched at 5.5 (SP 6.5) - 9th.

Kaymich Perfecto - £2.11 matched at 10.5 (SP 10.0) - 7th.

Hula Ballew - £2.11 matched at 7.6 (SP 6.0) - Won.

84 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 13 winners - SR 84.52%

New bank after commission £201.17. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - 06.06.06

Tuesday's starting bank £201.17.

5 selections matched:-

Moon On A Spoon - £2.01 matched at 9.8 (SP 13.0) - Won.

Neardown Beauty - £2.01 matched at 4.9 (SP 4.0) - Won.

Patavium Prince - £2.01 matched at 8.6 (SP 7.0) - 3rd.

Days Of My Life - £2.01 matched at 6.6 (SP 5.0) - 4th.

Drumming Party - £2.01 matched at 10.5 (SP 8.0) - 6th.

89 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 15 winners - SR 83.15%

New bank after commission £181.47.

[shaun644]

Using the Racing Post I make Wednesdays selections :-

Flat Win

No selections

NH Win

2.30 Sedgefield

5.00 Sedgefield

Everyone agree

Shaun

[scaaty]

Yes, I've got the same on the win systems Shaun :)

[Street cry]

Yeah U Are Right Shaun

[jonahjones]

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 01.06.06

Thursday's starting bank £231.57.

1 selection:-

Nice Horse - £6.95 matched at 2.97 (SP 3.0) - 4th.

8 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 5 winners - SR 62.50%

New bank after commission £225.02. :)

[jonahjones]

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 02.06.06

No selections matched. Bank remains at £225.02.


NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 03.06.06

Saturday's starting bank £225.02.

2 selections:-

Penneyrose Bay - £6.75 left as an order - £4.00 matched at 2.12 (SP 2.1) - remainder unmatched - 2nd.

Pass The Class - too drunk at a stag party to gamble by 3.45pm! - Won (SP 4.33) - typical. :)

9 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 5 winners - SR 55.56%

New bank after commission £221.02. :)

[jonahjones]

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 04.06.06 & 05.06.06

No selections matched. Bank remains at £221.02.


NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 06.06.06

Tuesday's starting bank £221.02.

1 selection:-

Batswing - £6.63 matched at 3.3 (SP 3.25) - 3rd.

10 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 5 winners - SR 50.00%

New bank after commission £214.39. :)

[jonahjones]

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 07.06.06

Wednesday's starting bank £214.39.

2 selections:-

American President - £6.43 matched at 3.5 (SP 3.5) - Fell.

Sams Lad - £6.43 matched at 4.80 (SP 4.0) - 2nd.

12 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 5 winners - SR 41.67%

New bank after commission £201.53. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - 01.06.06

Thursday's starting bank £250.19.

3 selections:-

Marmooq - £7.51 matched at 4.60 (SP 5.50) - Won.

Great Chieftain - £7.51 matched at 8.0 (SP 7.0) - 3rd.

Mashaahed - £7.51 matched at 1.70 (SP 1.62) - Won.

39 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 19 winners - 48.72% SR.

New bank after commission £273.37. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - 02.06.06

Friday's starting bank £273.37.

2 selections:-

Cape Gold - £8.20 matched at 5.10 (SP 5.0) - 8th.

Confide - £8.20 matched at 5.20 (SP 3.5) - Won.

41 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 20 winners - 48.78% SR.

New bank after commission £297.89. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - 03.06.06, 04.06.06 & 05.06.06

No selections matched. Bank remains at £297.89.


Flat Win System - 06.06.06

Tuesday's starting bank £297.89.

1 selection:-

Dimboola - £8.94 matched at 1.42 (SP 1.40) - Won.

42 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 21 winners - 50.00% SR.

New bank after commission £301.45. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - 07.06.06

No selections matched. Bank remains at £301.45. :)

[maxascent]

Hi

Just got the lay win system the other day and hoping someone could verify selections for today in case I am going off in the wrong direction.

2.20 Haydock
2.50 Haydock

Cheers

[Leopold]

I have a question. Anyone want my ass?

[Street cry]

yeah you were right max

[maxascent]

Cheers Street

[Win2Win]

Not bad going for the Flat Win System. Imagine if you started year 3 with £3000, and had a 50% increase in a month :)

[Jonny2621]

Some of you may know, from my desparing rantings on the PC Help thread, that the laptop has died on me. I have the rules for the NH lays on my work PC which is OK but for the Flay Layems its on the laptop. I cant remember the filter for going conditions for the flat lays.

Could someone PM me as to whether firm gound is or isnt a qualifier ? Id use PM rather than post here as it might give something away to those who have not purchased and Keith would set Vegy on me...:yikes:

Thanks in advance

Jonny

[Iron Chris]

Although the NH Lays have continued to rise, I presume we have all taken a big hit on the Flat Lay profits over the last few days...:(

[tophatter]

yeah have had a hard couple of days.

Don't get too down hearted with that Chris. Basically when you start a bank there is a period when you need to get on a roll. Sometimes it can happen staight away like on the NH lays and then when you have a rough patch you have profits to protect you. Sometimes you go up and down for a while before you get going. Im a few points down on the layem bank and I have no worries about that. Keep it going, stick to the rules and you will be fine.

[Iron Chris]

Thanks TH..:)

Wanted to make sure it wasn't just me with people not checking the selections now we are confident with it. Was certainly a bad weekend with 2 of the 3 winners on Saturday getting up by a head on the line..:rolleyes:

Hopefully that will be it bottomed out and we can move forward again.

[maxascent]

Hi

I'm using the Flat win system and had about 7 losers in a row. Could someone just confirm they have the same to make sure I am using the system right. I see from the results that were provided that this is quite possible, just need a sanity check.

Thanks

[scaaty]

Hi

I'm using the Flat win system and had about 7 losers in a row. Could someone just confirm they have the same to make sure I am using the system right. I see from the results that were provided that this is quite possible, just need a sanity check.

Thanks

Yes, same for me, it's been eight in a row now ..... I started on a really good run though so I'm still well in profit and as you say the previous results show that losing runs like this are to be expected :)

Can't vouch for your sanity though ! :D

[scaaty]

Yes, same for me, it's been eight in a row now .....

Make that nine !

[ian2005]

Hi guys

Just wondered if there were any updates on the progress of these?

I'm about to start the Flat win system any day now. Just getting to grips with it.

Cheers,
Ian

[scaaty]

Hi Ian,

Going well for me - a storming start, bank up by over 66% in the first month, then a losing run of 12, two winners in the last two days and bank is now 23.6% up since I started :)

[ian2005]

Thanks scaaty - sounds like a good time to start, glad I missed that loosing streak!

I'm probably about to hit the paranoia stage that everyone starts with in a bit, thinking I'm putting on the wrong horses, so I might double check a couple of days with you guys if that's OK.

Cheers,
Ian

[scaaty]

As far as I know it's fine to double check as long as you don't post the names of any qualifiers - if it helps I make it just the one tomorrow at Carlisle :)
Definitely helps to get the best possible price on Betfair too - I suppose that's pretty obvious really ! I've managed to get well above SP on all the bets so far and without that the losing run would have hurt more than it did. Looking at the 8 year results, losing runs of 10+ don't happen very often so hopefully it'll be a while until the next one !

[mathare]

Anyone care to confirm my Running for Profit selections today?

I got 1 each in the 3.00 and 7.15 using Sporting Life

[ian2005]

Sorry Mathare haven't quite started them yet, will be in the next couple of days.

I wonder if somebody could clarify something for me. I'm getting a bit confused on the RP card, the form.

Dashes mean the start of the season, so I presume numbers before dashes mean last season. So in terms of the previous run to the LTO, can you just ignore the dashes?

So

32-6

Would mean the previous run to the LTO is 2?

Also does 0 mean a non finish? or just not in the top 9? or either i guess.

If a horse comes say 12th on the LTO, is that on the form? Because that would get very confusing!

Apologies for the ridiculously stupid questions!

Cheers,
Ian

[scaaty]

Not stupid questions at all - in fact having read them I'm now wondering whether I should have asked them myself rather than just going ahead and assuming the answers - reckon the only truly stupid questions are the ones you don't ask !
Anyway, I've been ignoring the dashes on the assumption that previous time out doesn't matter whether it was this season or not, and I've assumed that 0 means 10+ ... I think if it doesn't finish it would be PU, UR or F ( pulled up, unseated rider or fell)
But better wait till someone who knows for sure comes along :)

[mathare]

0 is outside the top 9 yes.

The rules say nothing about seasonal changes (which is what the dash is) so the 32-6 above is a 6 LTO this season and a 2nd and 3rd last two runs last season.

[ian2005]

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

One last question, well clarification, if there is no Betting Forecast on Racing Post which I noticed there wasn't for one race today, I presume that simply voids the whole race?

Oh just noticed a slash / on the form, on RP, would that be a pulled up/fall etc type thing?

Cheers,
Ian

[scaaty]

That's strange, I didn't notice a race with no forecast today - tho' occasionally I have noticed that the forecast doesn't appear at first and I've had to refresh the page to get it, maybe that's what happened. I suppose it's quite likely there could have been a few glitches as they were changing the site today.

GlosFC did an excellent guide to the Racing Post cards here http://www.pi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/test/RPcard.html

Very useful !

Don't know about the slash though - sorry.

[wb]

Hi Scaaty. The slash indicates a new season:


The letters and symbols mean the following:

/ New season
F Fell
- New year
U Unseated rider
B Brought down
P Pulled up
d Disqualified
O Unplaced

[ian2005]

Hi scaaty

I cant find a Betting Forecast for the 2:15 Pontefract or 2:45 Pontefract on RP today - might just be me.. or maybe I shouldnt looking at these races for some reason!

Thanks for the clarification on the form

Cheers,
Ian

[scaaty]

I cant find a Betting Forecast for the 2:15 Pontefract or 2:45 Pontefract on RP today - might just be me.. or maybe I shouldnt looking at these races for some reason!

Hi Ian,

Just been to the RP site to have a look but today's cards are gone already ! And I can't find anywhere on the site now to look at past cards :doh

Anyway, I definitely checked all the Pontefract races last night and there were forecasts there then - I like to find the qualifiers the night before if possible and leave orders for high prices. Usually don't get matched but it's well worth it when I do.

[ian2005]

Hi Scaaty

Yeah cant remember how i got there now they're off the main menu.

I'll have a look again tomorrow.

Thanks anyway.

I like the idea of leaving some bets over night to get matched, how do you know what odds? Do you just aim for the forecast odds but a bit better?

Cheers,
Ian

[scaaty]

Hi Scaaty

Yeah cant remember how i got there now they're off the main menu.

I'll have a look again tomorrow.

Thanks anyway.

I like the idea of leaving some bets over night to get matched, how do you know what odds? Do you just aim for the forecast odds but a bit better?

Cheers,
Ian

I still can't find them - must be well hidden cos I'm sure it can't be me :D

Leaving orders is a bit of a lottery .... I look at the forecast price on both RP and SL sites, then leave an order at least a couple of points above whichever is the higher .... sometimes more than a couple of points depending on things like the gap between the fave and the 2nd fave, what's already been left, and sometimes just a gut feeling ... For instance if the odds when I look are say 2.5 on Betfair and the forecast price is 15/8 I'd probably leave an order around 4.5 to 6. No idea why but particularly the shorter priced horses quite often seem to have a spike during the night and I've fairly often got matched at 4.5+ when the SP is less than 2. If the price when I look is already well above the forecast it's more difficult .... sometimes I take it, sometimes leave an order and risk losing out if it drifts, sometimes just wait and see how it looks in the morning !

[peza2605]

blimey 3 from 3 yesterday and 4 from 6 today.

:D :D

[Win2Win]

What's with the Iraqi flag Peza? :doh

[peza2605]

:D

if i cant get it in me sig ill have it in me avatar.:wink

[ian2005]

Doh! Just realised I had posted this in the wrong thread..

[roma]

I am a bit concerned having seen on another thread that Mathare only had 1 selection for Running For Profit today while I had 4 ... all lost ...

So can anyone confirm if they had the same number for today? Or for tomorrow (Friday 14th)? I have only one tomorrow and it is at Hamilton.

Thanks in advance :)

[jonahjones]

I am a bit concerned having seen on another thread that Mathare only had 1 selection for Running For Profit today while I had 4 ... all lost ...

So can anyone confirm if they had the same number for today? Or for tomorrow (Friday 14th)? I have only one tomorrow and it is at Hamilton.

Thanks in advance :)

I had 4 today as well Roma and 1 for tomorrow at Hamilton. :)

[scaaty]

I had 4 today as well Roma and 1 for tomorrow at Hamilton. :)

Same here - I think the difference is because Mathare uses Sporting Life rather than Racing Post to make the selections and they differ quite a bit. I wasn't sure which to use at first but Keith reckons it doesn't matter as it evens out in the end. I have been having a look at SL as well, and must say that on the whole the Racing Post site does seem to be more accurate with their forecast prices. Don't really understand why there should be such a big discrepancy as I'd have thought they'd both be working with the same set of statistics etc - maybe someone has an explanation ?

[mathare]

Forecast odds are someone's opinion. RP and SL will have the same stats and what have you but how they interpret them and how much they build them into odds forecasts will differ.

I really don't like the RP website so I use SL, which I have open in my browser all day anyway so it suits me far better.

I may be bending system rules with using SL but that's my own risk

[scaaty]

Forecast odds are someone's opinion. RP and SL will have the same stats and what have you but how they interpret them and how much they build them into odds forecasts will differ.

I really don't like the RP website so I use SL, which I have open in my browser all day anyway so it suits me far better.

I may be bending system rules with using SL but that's my own risk

Agree with you about the RP site, I much prefer the SL one too. Only reason I'm using RP is because that's what everyone else seemed to be using and when I started some people were posting the number of selections, so I could check that I was getting the selections right. Now I've got used to it it's ok, but I do resent having to log in just to view the cards!

Don't think using SL is bending the rules though, it does say 'using either Racing Post or Sporting Life'. It'll be interesting to see how the results compare after a year or so - I started on May 5th with a bank of £158 and at the moment I'm £27 in profit (despite missing one day last week with three winners ;fire )

[scaaty]

Can anyone confirm whether there's a selection for the flat win system today please ? Using RP I get one at Hamilton, but RP doesn't have yesterday's results in the form, and taking yesterday's result as the LTO figure, it wouldn't qualify. So is it a selection or not ? :doh

[jonahjones]

Can anyone confirm whether there's a selection for the flat win system today please ? Using RP I get one at Hamilton, but RP doesn't have yesterday's results in the form, and taking yesterday's result as the LTO figure, it wouldn't qualify. So is it a selection or not ? :doh

Good question Scaaty.

I wouldn't have noticed this until you pointed it out. I place my faith in whatever it says to the left hand side of the horse. In light of what you have found, I don't think it is a qualifier.

Question is, how often does this happen?

[scaaty]

Question is, how often does this happen?

Yes, I wondered that, the only reason I noticed this one was because it ran in the same race as yesterday's qualifier and I remembered the name. Maybe Keith could tell us whether it's something we should be aware of or whether we should go purely on the figures in the RP ?

Anyway, unless Keith says different I won't back today's - watch it go and win now ! :)

[Ada]

I tend to use the RP paper, and I would agree that the Hamilton possible is NOT a qualifier due to last night's result.

The other thing I notice from time to time is that the RP online & paper versions quite often differ in their Forecast favourites.

Today for example, using the paper there is a qualifier at Salisbury tonight, but using the RP online it doesn't qualify!!

Ada.

[scaaty]

Yes, there's a qualifier at Salisbury using SL too .... Keith's advice was that it doesn't matter which you use as long as you're consistent, it'll even out in the end.... but that would mean backing the Hamilton one for those of us using RP online, wouldn't it ? Hmmm, confusing, isn't it !

[scaaty]

Just had a look and SL include yesterday's results in their form figures whereas RP don't.

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - Update

Starting bank - £200.00.

203 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 25 winners - SR 87.68%

Current bank after commission £244.47. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Back System - Update

Starting bank - £200.00.

97 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 36 winners - SR 37.11%

Current bank after commission - £193.42.

Bank peaked at £373.74 on 12.06.06.

[jonahjones]

NH Backs - Update

Starting bank £200.00

31 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 11 winners - SR 35.48%

Current bank after commission £199.32.

[scaaty]

New bank high on the Flat Win system for me today :)

Starting bank May 3rd £158

Current bank after commission £265.35

Would have been higher but I missed one day with 3 from 4 winners. I have cheated a little bit .... I know I probably shouldn't, but like Roma I hate betting odds on, so any that were below 1.8 on betfair just before the off I've left and bet in-running instead. Seems to be working so far, if they lose I've lost no more than I would have anyway, if I get matched and they win I do a lot better than SP. There is the risk of not getting matched on a winner, but when you see how little you win I reckon the risk is worth it - the amount I've gained so far would cover missing out on several short priced winners.

[podtog]

Nice going scaaty, be interested to see how you get on in a few months with your cheating compared to just bunging on before the race. All the best, Pod.

[John]

Yeah, very good tactic that Scaaty. It's definitely something I've done in the past and you usually get a much better price in-running.

[jonahjones]

I know this wasn't a system qualifier, but when Hurricane Run was caught by Electrocutionist and Heart's Cry yesterday and appeared to be dropping back, he drifted and was matched at 36.0 on Betfair after starting odds-on. :yikes:

[peza2605]

New bank high on the Flat Win system for me today :)

Starting bank May 3rd £158

Current bank after commission £265.35

Would have been higher but I missed one day with 3 from 4 winners. I have cheated a little bit .... I know I probably shouldn't, but like Roma I hate betting odds on, so any that were below 1.8 on betfair just before the off I've left and bet in-running instead. Seems to be working so far, if they lose I've lost no more than I would have anyway, if I get matched and they win I do a lot better than SP. There is the risk of not getting matched on a winner, but when you see how little you win I reckon the risk is worth it - the amount I've gained so far would cover missing out on several short priced winners.

good idea.brilliant idea in fact.

[roma]

Good plan Scaaty! I will try it! :)

Hope you are having fun in Blackpool :spinning

My bank for this has increased from £150 on 27th May to £315 on 29th July ... I did get that great day earlier this week ... it has just had 6 winning days in a row though so I imagine a little correction may be just around the corner :wink

Jumping For Profit has been rather sluggish and has just about broken even over the same period. Now waiting for this one to take off
:)

[Iron Chris]

NH Lay System

The starting bank of £200 for this system has just gone over £300 for the first time in the last two days, so very pleased with that. S/R 88.88%. :)

Now for the bit where I get some stick..:blue

Having run the Flat Lay System as well and got over the initial up and down of the system and the day where the going changed, the bank steadily rose to £270 but then over the course of a few days it completely wiped out the profit again and I was back to the starting bank again. At this point I decided to put the system on hold whilst I built up the NH System more and got confidence in the Flat System back again. I am pleased to see the post from Jonah showing that his bank has still increased and I am sure that I will start the system again in the near future.

I just felt that as these were my first real go at running proper systems & banks that the rollercoaster on the Flat System was a bit much to start with..:doh

If the Win Systems had been available first, maybe they would have been a better option with the smaller risk but I am used to the laying side so took the plunge with them..:)

[roma]

I doubt there is much difference between the win and lay systems in terms of profitability Chris but looking at your post it seems true the ups and downs are not so extreme with the win systems. But what is the same, is that one system seems to be doing well while the other does not or is static. Running For Profit is suffering the expected correction and has had nothing but losers since I last posted while Jumping For Profit which seemed completely comatose has had 5 winning days in a row (not counting days when there are no selections).

This is good in that it levels things out ... although if the opposite happened and they started to get into sync and have their ups and downs at the same time it would be hairy on the lays :yikes:

Good luck if you start again ... I would think the results Keith sent must be very helpful in seeing what the ups and downs are likely to be like, and maybe you can jump back on at the end of the next losing run :wink

[jonahjones]

Running For Profit is suffering the expected correction and has had nothing but losers since I last posted

Thankfully Roma, as you posted this Suyhal Star won the 2.30 at Thirsk at 7-2 to boost the bank. :)

[Iron Chris]

Thanks Roma..:) .. will start monitoring the selections again with a few to starting it again shortly hopefully. I think it was just a big confidence blow that the £70+ profit was gone again in a few days.

The winners on the NH Lay system are also at shorter odds on average which helps as well.

[roma]

Thankfully Roma, as you posted this Suyhal Star won the 2.30 at Thirsk at 7-2 to boost the bank. :)

Yes! I thought I might have jinxed it by saying a correction was due so I posted that thinking it might win just to prove me wrong and it did :wink

[scaaty]

Running For Profit is suffering the expected correction and has had nothing but losers since I last posted

Looks like I went away at the right time then ! :D
I did catch the two losers on Sunday, left orders on Saturday night and both were matched, but managed to get matched at 7 on Suhayl Star today so bank now stands at a very healthy £292.11 :)

I started Jumping For Profit with a bank of £100 on June 14th and that's in profit too .... not so many selections and if there were any winners over the last four days I've missed those, but as of today it's at £131.06.

[Win2Win]

All should improve again now with normal UK weather resumed. The heatwaves play havoc with form. Nice to site in the Sun....but not on the wallet!

[jonahjones]

"Running For Profit" Flat Back System - Update

Starting bank - £200.00.

115 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 46 winners - SR 40%

Current bank after commission - £262.88.

[jonahjones]

"Jumping For Profit" NH Backs - Update

Starting bank £200.00

39 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 15 winners - SR 38.46%

Current bank after commission £213.11.

[peza2605]

im on holiday, today i can be in front of the computer at race time..

now i make it 6:yikes: on the flat win system, now should i put bets on now with the odds say 2 over what they are now or leave till race time.??

[jonahjones]

"Running For Profit" Flat Back System - Update

Starting bank - £200.00.

124 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 49 winners - SR 39.52%

Current bank after commission - £276.46. :)

[jonahjones]

"Jumping For Profit" NH Backs - Update

Starting bank £200.00

44 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 19 winners - SR 43.18%

Current bank after commission £253.44. :)

[Win2Win]

Good to see them going well for you. It can be a drag getting off the ground, and that is when a lot of people get disillusioned, those that hold in there, are the people who make money out of this game.

[roma]

now should i put bets on now with the odds say 2 over what they are now or leave till race time.??

I know this is way after you asked the question ... but I always whack these on ASAP once the bookies' early prices come up, ie any time after 10.00 this time of year, maybe 10.30 or 11.00 for the evening races, looking at Oddschecker and Betfair to see where the best price is taking into account commission and if the best price is on Betfair I either take it or leave an order and keep checking it.

Occasionally you get a better price by waiting but most of the winners seem to go down and taking the early prices seems to pay off as a general rule. :)

[Iron Chris]

NH Lay System

Latest results to the end of August - with no jump meeting tomorrow..:wink

Lays : 134 from 149

S/R : 89.93%

Starting Bank : £200

New Bank : £359.35

My Average Betfair Lay Price Of Winners : 4.42

Very pleased with how this is going, though I am currently on a run of 33 Lays without a winner, so a correction is due soon even the the S/R is where it should be..:)

I personally find this system better than the Flat version at the minute with the fact that the winners tend to be at smaller prices and don't have the same hit on the bank.

Once the bank on this system has grown a bit more though and I can see that the Flat System is still performing I do fully intend to start it back up again, so please keep the updates coming Jonah..:)

[Iron Chris]

Just checked my Flat Lay System results...

Lays : 131 from 152

S/R : 86.18%

My Average Betfair Lay Price Of Winners : 5.71

Not a 'Bad' set of results but with a slightly lower S/R and 1.29 points higher average Lay price I was back to where I started when I stopped the system. If it had just been ticking along slowly it would not have been a problem but just had my confidence hit by the rush of winners at higher prices. Certainly room to work with this when starting it back up again..:)

[scaaty]

Another new high on the Flat Win - a good run in the last week, and today's winner means that my bank has now slightly more than doubled since I started 4 months ago :wiggle:

Many thanks Keith ! :)

[Win2Win]

It would appear as I thought, that the RP is doing better than the SL, probably as the F/c's are less erratic.

Would I recommend people using the RP only....Yes, if you can. :)

[mathare]

Would I recommend people using the RP only....Yes, if you can. :)Looks like I should consider changing my allegiance at some point then

[Win2Win]

I've updated the system PDF's to include the word 'strongly' recommend RP.....although all papers works, best to maximise profits if possible.

[scaaty]

Yes, I've found that the RP forecasts, both prices and faves, are much more accurate. Also I'm lucky that most days I'm able to watch the prices and I've got a bit obsessive about getting the best possible price - don't always succeed, but mostly I've managed between 10 and 20% above SP. May not seem too important at the moment while my stakes are still small, but as they increase those odd little points make more and more of a difference, and hopefully the longer I do it the better I'll get at being able to anticipate price movements and knowing when to pounce !

[ian2005]

Hi guys

Can somebody confirm for me please that today (25th) on the Flat Win system there is horse in the following:

Brighton - 3:00
Hamilton - 3:40
Hamilton - 4:40

Just making sure my system is calculating these correctly!

Many thanks,

Ian

[mathare]

You using Racing Post for these Ian?

[Mattw07]

there the 3 i got using the racingpost.
Matt

[ian2005]

Yes, using the Racing Post. Going to keep an eye on it for a couple of weeks and then hopefully use the free Betfair API to actually put the bets on.

[ian2005]

Can I confirm just 1 today in the Flat Win system - Lingfield - 3:30 ?

When I start actually putting the bets on, I'll keep a weekly diary on here.

Many thanks!

Ian

[scaaty]

Yes, that's what I had today using RP. and I make it one qualifier tomorrow at Wolverhampton.

After the high three weeks ago, it's been tough recently and my bank is now back down to where it was at the beginning of June. Still up 37% since starting though :)

[marky72]

jonahjones how come you dont post your results anymore for the backing systems flat and nh.
mark:wiggle:

[Iron Chris]

NH Lay System

Latest results to the end of August - with no jump meeting tomorrow..:wink

Lays : 134 from 149

S/R : 89.93%

Starting Bank : £200

New Bank : £359.35

My Average Betfair Lay Price Of Winners : 4.42

Very pleased with how this is going, though I am currently on a run of 33 Lays without a winner, so a correction is due soon even the the S/R is where it should be..:)

I personally find this system better than the Flat version at the minute with the fact that the winners tend to be at smaller prices and don't have the same hit on the bank.

Once the bank on this system has grown a bit more though and I can see that the Flat System is still performing I do fully intend to start it back up again, so please keep the updates coming Jonah..:)



Haven't reported in for a while so today seems like a good day to it with the system reaching a new high today after the beating of two market fancies in the same race. The correction from the last report did arrive but the system has still been going along nicely with the limited meetings before the start of the new season now.

LAYS : 166 From 187

S/R : 88.77%

Starting Bank : £200

New Bank : £364.20

Mr Average Betfair Lay Price Of Winners : 4.49-1

[Iron Chris]

Sorry, jinxed it again...:splapme ...another higher priced winner the day after the bank reaches a new high...:ermmm

[maxascent]

Just started using the flat lays but there doesnt seem to have been any qualifiers the last few days. Could someone just confirm this just so I know that I am using it correctly.

Cheers

[marky72]

hi guys could anybody confirm these selections for the lay,em +nhpm for tomorrow
flat 1.30 wolverhampton x 3
nh 3.15 taunton x1

[Mattw07]

The flat is right, i dont do the nh one not sure about that one.

[marky72]

cheers matt hows the flat going how long u been doing it are u in profit ive been doing it about 2wks im about £25 down but im certain ill pull it round ive got all 4 system its the only one in the red at moment:wiggle:

[huckabuck]

i dont think there is any for today,its got to have the one word for me for the race.cross check with keith.:doh
huck

[marky72]

sorry huck you,ve lost me plz explain

[huckabuck]

matt i tried to pm you.i dont wont to let the cat out of the bag:D

[huckabuck]

sorry i mean mark,to much drink,and the rest:)

[Win2Win]

You can't PM non-members :)

8,366 Views - Must be a record for a thread!!

[huckabuck]

You can't PM non-members :)

8,366 Views - Must be a record for a thread!!

:splapme boy do i have a sore head today.training is going to be fun latter on
keith do they qualify am i wrong?

[Win2Win]

Haven't done them yet!! I won't know till midday.

[huckabuck]

Haven't done them yet!! I won't know till midday.

:helper

[marky72]

hi huck why do u need help

[huckabuck]

hi huck why do u need help

hope i dont need any help :doh i was waiting for a reply from keith
before the 1-30 race.

[marky72]

hi guys i think ive got the idea with the lay,em and nhpm are the selections for tomorrow.
lay,em= lingfield 12.30x2
2.35x2
3.10x2
southwell 2.50x2
3.20x1
nhpm=ayr 3.00x1

[maxascent]

Marky

I have just started doing the flat lay em and have just checked your qualifiers. I may be missing something but as far as I can see rule 4 (going) is not valid. Maybe someone can just confirm this?

Jon

[marky72]

mate you dont use rule for going on all weather

[maxascent]

ok cheers, I see were I have been going wrong.

[marky72]

check selections see if u get same as me:wiggle:

[maxascent]

I seem to get the same as you:spinning

[huckabuck]

hi guys i think ive got the idea with the lay,em and nhpm are the selections for tomorrow.
lay,em= lingfield 12.30x2
2.35x2
3.10x2
southwell 2.50x2
3.20x1
nhpm=ayr 3.00x1

and 1 in the 2-25) ayr NHPM

[marky72]

huck there is no bet in the 2.25 at ayr if your using rp its forecast price is 15/2 rules state 15/2 and more void bet

[marky72]

jonahjones why dont you post in here anymore do you still use jumping for profit,running for profit,lay,em if so hows it doing:wiggle:

[Iron Chris]

I know I normally tempt fate when I post my results but today saw a milestone for my NH Lays and I just wanted to show what can be done with the system.

The system was started on 25/04/2006 with a Bank of £200.00

After todays racing the stats are :

Lays = 273

Losers = 241

S/R = 88.27%

Average Betfair SP of winners = 4.81/1

New Bank = £402.33

So after 9 months the original bank has doubled for the first time...:happyboun

Thanks Keith...... and apologies for the run of winners expected after this post...:ermmm

[mathare]

Good news Chris - well done :)

[MattR]

Great Chris. I started themon the 13th Jan with a 200 bank and it's now at £229 using 1% of bank, and has just 4 wins from 40 :wiggle:

[marky72]

great system the nhpm i started with them on 10/12/06 with £300 bank which now stands at £416 with a s/r of 91%
lays=74
losers=68

[orientalexpress]

hi could someone confirm there are no qualifieres for flat lay em ?
thanks

[MattR]

I have one for Wolv 5.35 friday

[orientalexpress]

I have one for Wolv 5.35 friday

The going at Wolv is STAND ? or has the system slightly changed to allow stand aswell ?

[Win2Win]

STANDARD is an AW going, and the system includes the AW (any going)

[marky72]

2.10 at wolverhampton aswell with rp

[MattR]

Yep one there too, had written wrong date on spreadsheet next to it and didn't see that :splapme

[orientalexpress]

STANDARD is an AW going, and the system includes the AW (any going)

Hi there Kieth Im abit confused

the ebooks says the going must be good to firm, good, good to soft, but you know Ive understood that its AW so would it be best to just forget the "goings" as its AW. Would Heavy qualify ?

thanks for reply

[wb]

Hi there Kieth Im abit confused

the ebooks says the going must be good to firm, good, good to soft, but you know Ive understood that its AW so would it be best to just forget the "goings" as its AW. Would Heavy qualify ?

thanks for reply

You can't have 'heavy' ground on an All Weather track.

All Weather races are run on artificial surfaces so the going rule does not come into it. If it is an All Weather race, it qualifies.

[orientalexpress]

You can't have 'heavy' ground on an All Weather track.

All Weather races are run on artificial surfaces so the going rule does not come into it. If it is an All Weather race, it qualifies.

oh so AW qualifies but if its not AW then going rules have to apply.
Thanks

[orientalexpress]

I have one qualifier for flat lay em

21st feb
4.50 Wolverhampton - 1 qualifier

anyone else ?

[marky72]

yes thats correct mate:wiggle:

[Win2Win]

You never call me mate....I have no real friends :(

[marky72]

sorry mate

[orientalexpress]

I have one qualifier for flat lay em

21st feb
4.50 Wolverhampton - 1 qualifier

anyone else ?

void bet - non runners :anger

[marky72]

Bet Was Not Void Mate

[orientalexpress]

Bet Was Not Void Mate

system says 11-16 runners originally had 12, 2 NR makes it 10 runners left
which makes it a void ? what have i missed ?

[orientalexpress]

system says 11-16 runners originally had 12, 2 NR makes it 10 runners left
which makes it a void ? what have i missed ?

LOL again Ive missed read, still qualifies if non runners. Gotta stop doing this ! agggggggggghhhhhhhh

[marky72]

learning process mate

[orientalexpress]

Ok I have 3 qualifiers for flat lay em

1.50 Southwell - 1 qualifier
4.25 Southwell - 2 qualifiers

Same ? :D

[drfernet]

Same here

[marky72]

yes same here mate

[orientalexpress]

23 Feb

Flat lay em
3.10 Wolverhampton x 1
4.50 Wolverhampton x 1

anyone ?

[marky72]

yes thats right mate:wiggle:

[orientalexpress]

24th Feb
Flat lay em

Lingfield 1.30 x 2
Lingfield 2.00 x1
Lingfield 2.30 x 2

anyone ?

[MattR]

Yeah, that's what I have too.

[marky72]

yes me too guys

[orientalexpress]

25th Feb
Flat lay em

Kempton 1.30 x 1
Kempton 4.00 x 1
Kempton 4.30 x 1

Anyone ?

[marky72]

Dont Know Yet Do Mine With Racing Post But Runners Havnt Been Declared Yet.you Dont Do Yours With Racing Post Then

[orientalexpress]

Dont Know Yet Do Mine With Racing Post But Runners Havnt Been Declared Yet.you Dont Do Yours With Racing Post Then

hmm how do you mean ? When i look on sundays race cards it seems its all been forecasted ? Im not sure what you mean ?

[marky72]

they havnt been declared yet so the amount of runners could change and the betting fc too

[Win2Win]

48hr Decs now Marky :) Some sites price them up early.

[orientalexpress]

they havnt been declared yet so the amount of runners could change and the betting fc too

so what i see on racing post for sunday is just an estimate ? of runners and FC ?
that could possibly change ?

[marky72]

kempton
1 30x1
4.00x1
4.30x2

[orientalexpress]

kempton
1 30x1
4.00x1
4.30x2

agreed. Now i know what you mean about it updating .

[orientalexpress]

26th

Flay lay em

Wolverhampton 3.00 x 1
Wolverhampton 5.00 x 2
Wolverhampton 5.30 x 1

Anyone ?

[marky72]

yes same here mate

[Win2Win]

This is one of two active threads with over 10,000 views!!

[marky72]

flat lay,em
lingfield
3.30x1
4.30x1

[orientalexpress]

same here mate

[marky72]

I Think The Lay,em System Must Be On The Worst Run Its Had

[MattR]

I Think The Lay,em System Must Be On The Worst Run Its Had


Just got to stick with it I think Marky. Even with that last one I'm still up. I started 9th Jan and am £25 up on a starting bank of £200. When Barclays give me that kind of interest over 49 days I'll put it back in my bank! :laugh

[mathare]

SL must be giving different selections to RP.

I had one candidate today and when I went to Betfair it was over the cutoff so I ditched it. Couldn't even tell you which horse it was now.

[marky72]

yes they do mathare sometimes i compare rp to sl and there diffrent allot of the times

[orientalexpress]

yes they do mathare sometimes i compare rp to sl and there diffrent allot of the times

which of your systems is performing best ?

I agree with the layem past few days have been hectic, but im convinced its just a bad run that will end in profit the longer we stick at it.

[marky72]

the jumping for profit doing the best at moment but ive been doing that one the longest:wiggle:

[marky72]

28/2/07-lay,em
southwell
1.20x1

[orientalexpress]

yep yep

[orientalexpress]

1st march
flat lay em

Lingfield 3.30 x 2
Lingfield 5.00 x 1

anyone ?

[marky72]

the 5.00 no qualifier distance too long

[orientalexpress]

thanks mate !

[orientalexpress]

:anger

2nd March
Flat lay em

5.30 Wolvie x 1

same ?

[Mattw07]

correct :)

[orientalexpress]

2nd march

flat lay em
no qualifiers

[orientalexpress]

5th March
Flat lay em

Lingfield 4.00 x 2
Wolverhampton 5.20 x 3

anyone ?

[drfernet]

Same here :spinning

[orientalexpress]

Same here :spinning

not really happy with 5.20 race, i just got a feeling one of them qualifiers is gonna win ::swear

[marky72]

you never know but if one does it will take the sting out if you have 3 selection

[orientalexpress]

impressive the 5.20 race today

6th March
Flat lay em

Lingfield 2.40 x 1
Lingfield 3.40 x 1

anyone ?