Win2Win Systems Chat & Results

[marky72]

yes same here dude

[Jonny2621]

Morning chaps, can I be cheeky and ask how youre getting on with the Flat and NH Lays ? Hopefully youvebeen getting on well with them.

Ive been unable to follow these consistently due to time restraints the last couple of months but now hoping to get these back in the portfolio.

cheers

[orientalexpress]

for flay lay em bit of a bad pat at the moment so you might be lucky to come in where its pickin up

[marky72]

the nhpm seems to be a bit better ive been doing both since december but the lay,em still uot of pocket for me but im sure it will be back.with a bang

[orientalexpress]

7th March
Flat lay em

Lingers 3.00 x 2
Lingers 3.35 x 3 ::swear

yep yep ?

[orientalexpress]

9th March
Flat lay em

Lingfield 2.05 x 3

anyone ?

[Mattw07]

yep thats what i got too

Marky or anyone else doing the nh win system, have u got 5 selections for tomorrow?

Matt

[marky72]

yes mate 5 selections

[orientalexpress]

10th march

flay lay em

Wolverhampton 2.55 x 2
Wolverhampton 3.30 x 3
Wolverhampton 4.35 x 3

anyone ?

[marky72]

yes same here mate:wiggle:

[orientalexpress]

14th March

Flat lay em

Wolverhampton 2.50 x 2
Wolverhampton 5.30 x 2

Anyone ?

[Mattw07]

i get wolves 17:30 x3

not sure whats happened there, will double check

[MattR]

Just the three in the 5.30 for me too

[orientalexpress]

my apologies I now make it 5.30 x 3

[orientalexpress]

15th flat lay em

1:50 betdirect.com 5 Places On The County Hurdle Handicap (Div I) (Class 6
same as 5.05 ?

Although the course is AW this one doesnt qualify because it has hurdle ?

Even though race has finished
was it 1.20 x 2 ?

[MattR]

Actually I'm not sure Oriental! I guess not. Agree on the 1.20 * 2 for earlier

[Jonny2621]

15th flat lay em

1:50 betdirect.com 5 Places On The County Hurdle Handicap (Div I) (Class 6
same as 5.05 ?

Although the course is AW this one doesnt qualify because it has hurdle ?

Even though race has finished
was it 1.20 x 2 ?

Not a hurdle race chaps, its just the word hurdle in the title, its a normal 4 yo+ handicap

[MattR]

Not a hurdle race chaps, its just the word hurdle in the title, its a normal 4 yo+ handicap

Thanks Jonny.

[orientalexpress]

in that case then

5.05 would have had x 3 not that it matters now :splapme

[marky72]

only 2 in the 5.05 other 2 above cut of

[orientalexpress]

^ i see grrrrr

Anyways on and forward.

16th March Flat lay em
Lingfield 1.20 x 1
Lingfield 3.00 x 1
Lingfield 4.25 x 2
Lingfield 5.40 x 3

anyone ?

[marky72]

yes same here mate

[marky72]

ever since i started the system in december ive been in the red at one point i was -£95 today i came within £3 of been level but i hit a brick wall but im gonna get there in the end if its the last thing i do

[orientalexpress]

^ i feel your pain, its a test for those that can hang in long enough
anyways 17th march
Flat lay em

Lingers 2.20 x 2

[marky72]

yes same here

[orientalexpress]

20th March

Flay lay em

Southwell 2.20 x 1

[marky72]

even the 2.30x1

[orientalexpress]

^ typo sorry meant to be 2.30

[orientalexpress]

21st March

Flat lay em
Kempton 3.35 x 2
Kempton 4.10 x 1
Kempton 4.40 x 2
Kempton 5.10 x 1

anyone ?

[Mattw07]

yep thats what i got.

[orientalexpress]

22nd March

Flat lay em
Southwell 3.10 x 1
Southwell 4.40 x 1

anyone ?

[MattR]

Yes same here

[orientalexpress]

23rd March
Flat lay em

Lingfield 3.40 x 1
Lingfield 4.15 x 3
Wolverhampton 1.50 x 2
Wolverhampton 2.20 x 2
Wolverhampton 4.40 x 2

same ?

[orientalexpress]

24th March

Flat lay em

Lingfield 5.20 x 2

same ?

[Mattw07]

yep same here

[marky72]

you two guys running the lay,em system what bank did you start with and whats it looking like now

[Mattw07]

My bank is up £30 since January 15th when i started it up again.

[orientalexpress]

^ bank is down £10 since 21st feb

flay lay em

26th march
Kempton

5.40 x 1

same ?

[MattR]

Yep

[orientalexpress]

just when i thought we're getting back on track grrrrr

27th flat lay em

Lingfield 3.40 x 3

same ?

[scaaty]

Excellent run of 9 winners from 10 selections since 1st April for the Jumping For Profit system and a new bank high for me - started in June last year with a bank of £100, added another £100 to it in January this year and it now stands at £408.96.

Running for Profit also going well, very few selections in Feb/March but starting bank of £158 in May last year is now £480.88.

Thanks Keith ! :) :REGamblMo

[Win2Win]

All starts to look more important in the second year, when you have something decent to play with, and as long as they still show profits, the 3rd year is when it really rolls onwards & upwards.

[drfernet]

How are you people doing with the NH Quickfire systems?

I´ve been doing them for 2 months now and I´m struggling, especially with the trainer3 and the lay system which are down quite a bit. Nine ore less down a few points, and the other two slightly up.

The larger amount of selections on the trainer 3 system drags the altogether results for the five systems down. I´ve only hit 14/45 selections so far which makes 31%.

It would be nice to here experiences from anyone else following these systems.

cheers

[mathare]

I don't do the lays yet but and I don't have my data broken down into BB/points properly but I can give you rough ideas.

Claiming Jockey 7/15 - bank up slightly (~0.5%)
First Timer 11/32 - bank up around 15%
Nine or Less 9/24 - bank down around 8.5%
Trainer 3 12/24 - bank up 6%

[MattR]

Having a great month on them so far after an up and down march

All 200 banks:

Claimer +8% SR 42.31%
1st timer +1.5% SR 32.26%
<9 +6.5% SR 41.18%
Trainer +2% dived to -22% in mid march but recovered since. SR 41.79%

NH Prof Mach +10% but is on hold since end of march as building the banks with the win systems a bit before re starting all the lay ones. Was up 25% but hit a few winners in late march. SR 16.87% (lay wins)

[scaaty]

Only started the 1st Timer so far, 11 winners from 31 since I started it and bank is up 17.9% :)

[Win2Win]

It all down to when you start, it takes at least 6 months to start seeing true trends, but best for a year.

If some folk joined the Win2Win Racing Club last December, and started by just doing the NH win qualifiers, they'd probably broken the bank, thought I was crap, and buggered off. Those who started mid-Feb will think I'm God :)

[MattR]

That's a very good point and part of seeing the bigger picture which isn't always easy for a lot of people when first starting this kind of thing. You can't look at it over a short term.

[orientalexpress]

It all down to when you start, it takes at least 6 months to start seeing true trends, but best for a year.

If some folk joined the Win2Win Racing Club last December, and started by just doing the NH win qualifiers, they'd probably broken the bank, thought I was crap, and buggered off. Those who started mid-Feb will think I'm God :)

It would be off putting to break even with £200, and more off putting to get another £200 to start again. :splapme

[Win2Win]

Part of gambling is understanding that you will lose the odd bank, especially at the start, although using the bank barrier, you may lose all the bank, but not all the cash :)

[marky72]

orientalexpress are you still doing the lay,em system if you are whats your bank looklike mine is down £107 after todays racing:mad:

[orientalexpress]

orientalexpress are you still doing the lay,em system if you are whats your bank looklike mine is down £107 after todays racing:mad:

im down by £88 :splapme one of them things. What are you other banks looking like though ? making up for it ?

[marky72]

yes im about &#163;500 up altogether

[Win2Win]

yes im about £500 up altogether

Maybe I'll sell the Layem for £10, and the others for £100 then? :thumbs

[marky72]

ive stopped doing it now its pulling the 3 other systems back mate id been doing it 4 mnths £107 down it would take some coming back from that

[Win2Win]

Only 4 months, 53&#37; down. Nothing wrong with that when it comes to laying. As I say, you can drop 75%-80% a times. That is laying for you. The free Golden Lays have bee stuck around 110 for 3 months......a lot of folk think they are crap!! Those who started a year ago, still think they are good.

If it has taken you 4 months to drop 50%, then it can take another 4 months to come back from it. Who is to say it will not then increase 500% after that?

I do not pick & choose the systems I do. Once they are live they stay live until the very day they may bust.

Any lay system will take big hits. The new Members Golden lays have had the profits wiped out twice already, but the new System Pro-Losers are over 30pts up in less time!!

Your choice not to do them, but picking and choosing during losing runs will curtail long term profits. Check all the graphs.

[mathare]

I'm testing something new here so using the RP does anyone else get the following for the 26th April:

Layem
4.00 Bev x 3
8.10 Southwell x 2

NHPM
5.30 Fontwell

[marky72]

not the bev 4.00 math distance is too long must be less than 1m2f

[mathare]

not the bev 4.00 math distance is too long must be less than 1m2f1m1mf207y isn't it? That's a full 13 yards short of the 1m2f

[Win2Win]

That's right Mat :)

[Street cry]

It all down to when you start, it takes at least 6 months to start seeing true trends, but best for a year.

If some folk joined the Win2Win Racing Club last December, and started by just doing the NH win qualifiers, they'd probably broken the bank, thought I was crap, and buggered off. Those who started mid-Feb will think I'm God :)



just shows how betting banks and systems can take dramatic tumbles over short to medium term periods and yet still be profitable lon term .
I juggled a few things around in december and one of those things was the start of a bank with all the nh w2w site members systems in a combination bank .
I only started with a small bank £1000 and 100 point rachet (£10 per point , this bank started on the 21st dec and on the 24th feb it hit a low of £387 now that looks quite bad but yesterday saw a bank high of £1650 so therefore a 65% increase in bank over four months .
I am not saying that we should persevere with everything and follow things over a cliff but by being aware of the longterm strike rate and poi we can have a good idea of where we should be and when we are due a correction .
On all of my betting banks which are mostly system derived i take the last year of performance and plot it as a graph line to run against my actual performance gives me an instant reflection of my performance and also shows how things can move over a long period and that a heafty swing south can often be a natural part of the long term growth SC

[mathare]

I started flat and NH combo banks on 1st Jan this year for the W2W systems. Both are well in profit, the &#163;250 NH starting bank now being a shade under &#163;700 although at one stage it was down below &#163;60 I think.

[scaaty]

Need a bit of help please - can someone confirm whether or not there's a qualifier for the NH Win system tomorrow at Chepstow ? Form figures are different on the RP and SL sites, I think the SL site might include ptp form and not sure if that counts or not.

[MattR]

Which race Scaaty, haven't checked for mine yet but if you tell me which race I'll have a look now and see if i can help and is it the jumping for profit system or one of the quickfire ones?

[scaaty]

Thanks Matt - it's the 7.30 :)

[scaaty]

Oh, and the Jumping for Profit system

[MattR]

I would say it's a qualifier Scaaty (the rp one) as on the horses form card SL seems to match RP but not on the racecard itself which is odd. But I use the RP so I will have it as a qualifier. not sure what to make of where SL are getting that racecard form from though :doh

[wb]

Scaaty, the SL form includes point to point. I'd presume that the RP site is best in that case, as if the system is derived from RSB, I doubt it would have included point to point when researched.

[scaaty]

Thanks Matt, that's what I thought - SL form has me baffled too, must be a mistake I suppose !

[scaaty]

Scaaty, the SL form includes point to point. I'd presume that the RP site is best in that case, as if the system is derived from RSB, I doubt it would have included point to point when researched.


That's what I thought Wayne, but I looked up the horse in question on a couple of ptp sites and can't see form that matches what the SL has anywhere. Anyway, as Matt says I use the RP site so I guess it is a qualifier according to them. Probably lose now after all this ! :laugh

[wb]

That's what I thought Wayne, but I looked up the horse in question on a couple of ptp sites and can't see form that matches what the SL has anywhere. Anyway, as Matt says I use the RP site so I guess it is a qualifier according to them. Probably lose now after all this ! :laugh

If you click on the horse name on the SL it brings up the results. Check each date and track, and you will notice the new results are not at the 'normal' tracks that we are used to, so I presume it has to be point to point. I don't use the SL though, so I can't be completely certain!

[Win2Win]

P2P isn't officially run under NH racecourse rules unless it is a Hunter chase.

[mathare]

Is it just me or are there a lot of Layem qualifiers today? I think I have 14 :yikes:

[marky72]

yes theres 14 today math fingers crossed

[wb]

yes theres 14 today math

:) A particularly apt spelling mistake for Mat's name.

[marky72]

short for mathare

[mathare]

short for mathareI knew who you meant mar :wink

[Jonny2621]

Im trying the NH Quickfire systems for the first time, for Wednesday I have two Trainer 3 qualifiers, 520 and 815,

Anyone able to confirm Ive done these right ??

Cheers

[Ada]

Hi Jonny,

Yep, those 2 qualifiers look spot on to me using the Trainer 3 - NH QF System.

Ada. :thumbs

[Jonny2621]

cheers Ada :)

[mathare]

You should also have a Claiming Jockey qualifier (6.30 CHL) and a Ladies Lay (5.55 CHL)

[Mattw07]

I have the ladies lay selection but does the 6.30 CHL qualify mat? i wasnt going to include it.

[mathare]

I have the ladies lay selection but does the 6.30 CHL qualify mat? i wasnt going to include it.According to my software it does. Let me check the rules manually...

I make it a qualifier. I'd be intrigued to know why you think it doesn't.

[Mattw07]

ignore me, it was to do with its lto, i missed a rule when i copied them to my spreadsheet :(

it is a selection.

[Jonny2621]

You should also have a Claiming Jockey qualifier (6.30 CHL) and a Ladies Lay (5.55 CHL)


Thanks Mat, i had used Sporting Life by mistake and the DSR was different on that site. Not a bad day to start these :)

[mathare]

Thanks Mat, i had used Sporting Life by mistake and the DSR was different on that site. Not a bad day to start these :)I think the Slife DSLR includes PTP form. I used to use the SL cards but recently wrote myself some software to use the RP cards. Now I get all the day's qualifiers in under 5 seconds :D

[Jonny2621]

I think the Slife DSLR includes PTP form. I used to use the SL cards but recently wrote myself some software to use the RP cards. Now I get all the day's qualifiers in under 5 seconds :D

Thats the trouble with these systems, takes me ages and i lose patience with it, although winners help :D

[Jonny2621]

I cant find any NH Quickfire qualifiers today, Thursday. Anyone see otherwise ?

[mathare]

I get a Ladies Lay in the 4.10 but no win qualifiers today on the NH Quickfires

[Jonny2621]

:splapme I'm just so good at this :laugh

[mathare]

:splapme I'm just so good at this :laughI probably made umpteen mistakes when I started out with them too. In fact I'm sure I did which is why I automated it all to take away the human errors.

Stick with it though Jon and I'll do my best to keep you on track :)

[Jonny2621]

Anyone able to give me the races where there are qualifiers for the NH Quickfire today as I'm running very, very late today :helper

thanks in advance

[Mattw07]

i think theres only the 2 in the nh quickfire today, both ladies lay

Kelso 16:30
Exeter 19:50

[mathare]

Yep, just two ladies lays todays

[Jonny2621]

i think theres only the 2 in the nh quickfire today, both ladies lay

Kelso 16:30
Exeter 19:50

Thanks Matt ( is everyone on here called Matt these days :ooo ) rep duly given

cheers

[MattR]

Yes :D

[MOODYMARE]

Who would be able to advise on purchase of software to automate selection process

[mathare]

Who would be able to advise on purchase of software to automate selection processI don't know of any commericial off the shelf software that would do the job. I wrote my own

[MattR]

Impressive stuff Mat. Is it VB within excel or what? And how the hell do you go about it!

[mathare]

Impressive stuff Mat. Is it VB within excel or what? And how the hell do you go about it!Yep, VBA within Excel.

It's actually two separate s/sheets. One downloads the RP cards and converts them to Excel format. The other uses the Excel racecards and applies the various rules for each system.

As for how I did it - programming comes pretty naturally to me and having an old utility that did something similar helped a little but I still had to basically rewrite it from scratch. I still want to make a few tweaks to the racecard extractor but once they are complete maybe I should offer the two spreadsheets in return for a small donation for the time/effort I have put into them.

Of course the s/sheet that actually gets the system qualifiers from the Excel cards will have to be supplied initially without any systems included as I have no idea who has bought which systems and I can't give away Keith's secrets. But I could probably give away the basic spreadsheet and then in return for a small donation I could easily code up any system that someone gives me the rules to. I think that's the fairest way to do it as that way I am giving nothing away that I shouldn't. And as I have bought all of Keith's systems to date I am not learning anything I don't already know.

If anyone is interested I can post example Excel format cards so you can see what I have done. But it'll have to be tomorrow because I have just been informed by the missus that it is bedtime

[MattR]

Yeah that would be interesting to see Mat. I got as far as buying a vba for excel book late last summer but haven't seem to have found the time to do more than take a cursory look over it. My programming started and ended with Basic back on things like the spectrum and amiga. So you can 'grab' a page from the RP then? What about things like banners and things?

Look forward to seeing the examples tomorrow or whenever you have time.

[MOODYMARE]

I would be interested please

[mathare]

I'll start a separate thread (http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=413739#post413739)because this one's getting massive and we're kinda straying off topic a little. Hang on...

[orientalexpress]

I just purchased The Profit Machine System, cant wait to start soon with the other systems.

One problem, i understand the horse has to be X age or > but in the example shown the highlighted horses dont qualify ? :S It seems to me the examble does not match the rules. Have I read it wrong or something. Ive musta read it 20 times now but its not flowing. Please clarify someone. thanks

[orientalexpress]

anyone :D

[mathare]

anyone :DNot got the e-book handy I'm afraid so it's hard to comment

[drfernet]

As said in the book:
"not a qualifier example"
The perpose is only to show how and where to read the rules.

[orientalexpress]

As said in the book:
"not a qualifier example"
The perpose is only to show how and where to read the rules.

must be exam stress :splapme

[Jonny2621]

Im running really late today, are there any NH Quickfire qualifiers today chaps ??

Thanks

[mathare]

Im running really late today, are there any NH Quickfire qualifiers today chaps ??

ThanksYes. 4 Claiming Jockeys, 2 First Timers, 3 Trainer 3s.

They are NH quickfire aren't they?

[Jonny2621]

oh hell, havent found any yet

[mathare]

oh hell, havent found any yetClaiming Jockey - 3 at Folkestone, 1 at Perth

First Timer - 2 at Ludlow

Trainer 3 - 2 at Ludlow, 1 at Perth

[Jonny2621]

Claiming Jockey - 3 at Folkestone, 1 at Perth Check

First Timer - 2 at Ludlow Missing one of these :doh

Trainer 3 - 2 at Ludlow, 1 at Perth Check


Thanks Mat, that saved me a bit of time

[counterfeit]

I've been maeaning to ask for ages.

Every day there is a list of winners on the main page and there are regularly a couple that I don't know about. Are there hidden selections on the members pages or am I missing something or are there higher subscription levels (though I thought I was paying full wack).

[Win2Win]

Depends if you subscribe to the software or not, some qualifiers are for the System & Odds-On Banker.

[counterfeit]

I obviously don't.

How do I upgrade.?

[Win2Win]

On the membership page, should be an option for &#163;42.50 a month. You need to download the two pieces of software, or you can just use the qualifiers as a normal seperate system.

[jonahjones]

Started the Jumping for Profit, Profit Machine, Running for Profit and Layem systems again on 4th May and current stats are as follows:

Jumping for Profit

15 selections - 7 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £206.36.



Profit Machine

25 selections - 2 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £219.54.



Running for Profit

8 selections - 4 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £222.32.



Layem

62 selections - 8 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £203.40.

[counterfeit]

are they to level stakes?

[jonahjones]

are they to level stakes?

Lays are fixed stake of 1% of bank and backs are fixed stake of 3% of bank.

[counterfeit]

thanks - just being nosey but I am always interested to know what other people do.

[drfernet]

Anyone following the Flat Quickfire lay system?
Havent had the time to start doing another system yet but I think I might add it from next month.

[mathare]

Anyone following the Flat Quickfire lay system?
Havent had the time to start doing another system yet but I think I might add it from next month.Yep. Started it on 29th April (so not been doing it long) and before today's racing I was on 22/26 winning bets and up around 0.32xBB

[drfernet]

Not a bad start, thanks for sharing.

[Mavrick]

I also wouldn't mind seeing how people are doing on these. I think I'm going to become a system convert so I can hopefully free up some time.

[jonahjones]

Latest update (started 04.05.07):


Jumping for Profit

20 selections - 9 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £227.78.



Profit Machine

34 selections - 3 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £230.04.



Running for Profit

13 selections - 6 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £221.54.



Layem

99 selections - 13 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £203.38.

One of those days on the flat yesterday. 2 short priced backs that both lost and 2 races each containing a short priced horse to lay and a long priced horse to lay. Both long priced horses won!

Just over 3 weeks in though and all systems showing profit. Very happy. :)

[jonahjones]

Latest update:


Jumping for Profit

21 selections - 11 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £221.78.



Profit Machine

38 selections - 5 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £217.02.



Running for Profit

17 selections - 9 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £261.80.



Layem

110 selections - 14 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £213.58.

[Win2Win]

I'll have to put the price up :)

[scoobydoo]

I'll have to put the price up :)

Nooo...now you dont want to do that!:laugh Running for profit is going really well at the moment..:thumbs

[marky72]

yes it is doing really well

[huckabuck]

you can stop selling them now if you want :laugh

[Win2Win]

you can stop selling them now if you want :laugh

It's highly unlikely any of the system would have the odds changed these days by folk following them, especially with the bookies now throwing £Millions into the exchanges.

[Mavrick]

Any updates please? Sorry to be a pain.

[jonahjones]

Any updates please? Sorry to be a pain.

Just doing one now Mavrick. Give me about half an hour.

[Mavrick]

Thanks a lot.

[jonahjones]

Latest update:


Jumping for Profit

26 selections - 14 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £243.62.



Profit Machine

47 selections - 7 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £215.12.



Running for Profit

32 selections - 14 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £265.92.



Layem

147 selections - 17 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £248.36.

:wiggle:

[Mavrick]

Looking good.

[jonahjones]

Latest update:


Jumping for Profit

26 selections - 14 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £243.62.



Profit Machine

56 selections - 8 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £227.72.



Running for Profit

38 selections - 16 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £270.80.



Layem

164 selections - 17 winners.

Starting bank £200.00

Current bank £280.66.

:wiggle:

[mathare]

Anyone want to do me a MASSIVE favour?

Can anyone post up the number of selections they got today in each of Keith's e-book systems that they follow?

:helper

[Mattw07]

i got 7 selections today mat, but thats not including flat layem as i dont do that system, no NH Today.
3 Run4Profit
1 M Johnson
2 LTO
1 CD Lay

[jonahjones]

Anyone want to do me a MASSIVE favour?

Can anyone post up the number of selections they got today in each of Keith's e-book systems that they follow?

:helper

Mat,

Running for Profit I had three selections, one each in the 2.20 at Beverley, 3.20 at Beverley and the 4.10 at Nottingham.

I had 12 Lay'ems, one in the 2.50 at Beverley, two in the 3.40 at Nottingham, two in the 5.10 at Nottingham, three in the 6.40 at Hamilton, two in the 8.50 at Kempton and two in the 9.10 at Hamilton.

Hope this assists.

[mathare]

i got 7 selections today mat, but thats not including flat layem as i dont do that system, no NH Today.
3 Run4Profit
1 M Johnson
2 LTO
1 CD Lay


Mat,

Running for Profit I had three selections, one each in the 2.20 at Beverley, 3.20 at Beverley and the 4.10 at Nottingham.

I had 12 Lay'ems, one in the 2.50 at Beverley, two in the 3.40 at Nottingham, two in the 5.10 at Nottingham, three in the 6.40 at Hamilton, two in the 8.50 at Kempton and two in the 9.10 at Hamilton.

Hope this assists.I make it:
2 x CD lay (7.50 Kem, 2.40 Not)
12 x Layem
3 x LTO3 (3.20 Bev, 9.20 Ham, 3.40 Not)
1 x Mark Johnston
3 x Running 4 Profit
And nothing else across any of Keith's e-book systems

Thanks for your help guys. You don't know how much you have just cheered me up :hearty:thumbs

[marky72]

hi all ive been using the 2 backing systems and 2 laying systems for a while now with £300 bank each system=£1200 backing systems started end of october 2006 and laying systems started december 2006 and my combined bank now stands at £2040:happyboun

[peza2605]

bought the flat stuff couple of weeks ago. i notice on wednesday its says on this thread there were 3 selections on the LTO3 but i only got one:doh.

so just to check. today.

2 on the flat running for profit?

1 on the m johnson?

[yerotsluap]

I've got 2 on running for profit and 2 on the Johnston

[peza2605]

found the other m johnston one .cheers.

[Mattw07]

Just to check, did you also get two on the CD Lays?
Matt

[mathare]

Just to check, did you also get two on the CD Lays?
MattI get 1 today

[Mattw07]

Im normally wrong :) but i still get 2 after double checking them.

Sandown 14:40
Goodwood 21:05

[mathare]

Im normally wrong :) but i still get 2 after double checking them.

Sandown 14:40
Goodwood 21:05I hadn't manually checked them. But I have now and I agree and have spotted another thing the RP have screwed me up on :mad:

[Win2Win]

I hadn't manually checked them. But I have now and I agree and have spotted another thing the RP have screwed me up on :mad:

I'll fix that...you do this :censored: server :headbange:headbange:headbange

[scoobydoo]

I can only find 1 for running for profit...at Goodwood..can someone point me as to where other is please? :doh

[Mattw07]

Both at Goodwood, 18:20, 18:50

[scoobydoo]

Both at Goodwood, 18:20, 18:50

Thanks Matt..I see now.:thumbs

[hudsonmat]

Hi all,

Been away from the site for a while due to family and work commitments but was thinking of starting on the systems front again.

Don't have as much time as I used to so just a few questions about the available systems before I jump back in.


Can the selections be found the night before racing using the online RP?

Which would you recommend the Flat Quickfire, the NH Quickfire or one of the individual systems bearing in mind we are in the middle of the flat season?

Also does anybody have any results for these systems up to date.

Can't do the members bets anymore but hope they are still performing well.

Thanks in advance

hudsonmat

[hudsonmat]

Well I purchased the Flat quickfire today, could somebody confirm tomorrows selections are as follows:

6+ 3.50 Wolverhampton - 1 selection
Stoute 8.40 Newmarket - 1 selection

Thanks in advance.

Matthew

[Mattw07]

i get the 6+ selection
but dont think the stoute selection qualifies
also couple in the Lay system

Wolves 16:20 x1
Newcastle 20:20 x1

Thats if using the racingpost.

[hudsonmat]

Thanks for the reply Matt,

Not doing the Lay system for now but thanks anyway. How are these doing this year by the way?

Why do you think the Stoute horse does not qualify as I have checked and seems to meet all criteria of the system?

Can anyone else confirm please.

regards

Matt

[Mattw07]

Yer sorry Matt the stoute one does qualify, pretty sure im going blind! :(

there doing pretty well so far, Stoute system is about even for me, Johnson one is the only one thats down, the other 3 systems are doing pretty well. all together a nice profit from the 5 systems.

[peza2605]

im amazed at the odds ive just had for the wolverhampton runner in the running for profit system...ill be willing it on in my sleep:)

[scoobydoo]

Yer sorry Matt the stoute one does qualify, pretty sure im going blind! :(

Too much late night Copa Matt! :wink

[hudsonmat]

Thanks guys.

matt

[hudsonmat]

Sorry to be a pain, can anyone confirm the following:

Selections in the following races:
3.00 NMKT - 1 sel - sys3
4.15 WIN - 2 sels - sys2 and sys3
8.25 WOL - 1 sel - sys4.

thanks in advance

Matt

[Mattw07]

yep ive got the same.

[jonahjones]

im amazed at the odds ive just had for the wolverhampton runner in the running for profit system...ill be willing it on in my sleep:)

What did you get on it Pez?

I put mine on at 2.30pm and got 9.4.

[peza2605]

i got 11, not that it matters now. still today has made up for it.:thumbs

[jonahjones]

i got 11, not that it matters now. still today has made up for it.:thumbs

Indeed Pez, two out of two. Can't ask for more than that. :)

[Win2Win]

You are allowed to mention the horse, and results after the event :)

[hudsonmat]

Indeed Pez, two out of two. Can't ask for more than that. :)

Which system JJ ?? I had 4 losers on the Flat Quicks.

matt

[jonahjones]

Which system JJ ?? I had 4 losers on the Flat Quicks.

matt

Running For Profit, Matt.

[hudsonmat]

thx JJ

[alright]

Hello everybody. I only subscribed to the Club today and I'm still waiting to get access to the hidden forum. In the meanwhile I placed a bet on the 7:55 Wolv race, but since the suggested horse had too much high odds (around 7) I played it as placed and won my bet even if it didn't win.
My question is (sorry if it sounds dumb but I'm relatively new at this): shall we follow the suggestions blindly or like in my case, since the odds were high about 1 hour before the start, we should use a pinch of salt? I mean, would drifting from the rules sometimes go against the overall profitability of a system? I would assume the answer should be no (even if I was scared and did the opposite). Can anyone please reply? Thank you very much

[Win2Win]

Hello everybody. I only subscribed to the Club today and I'm still waiting to get access to the hidden forum.

I haven't received an email yet! :doh

[Win2Win]

Can you repost your question in a new thread please, this one is for purchased eBooks. Ta. :)

[hudsonmat]

Can you repost your question in a new thread please, this one is for purchased eBooks. Ta. :)

???????

Question was about the Flat Quickfire eBook recently purchased.

Apologies if you were not replying to me.


matt

[alright]

???????

Question was about the Flat Quickfire eBook recently purchased.

Apologies if you were not replying to me.


matt
I think that Win2Win was replying to a post of mine that was deleted. Don't worry, matt! :)

[alright]

I haven't received an email yet! :doh
I sent it to 88888888 I just did it again. Is that address corrrect?

[Win2Win]

Yes...and please don't publish that addess on a forum. Ta :)

[alright]

Yes...and please don't publish that addess on a forum. Ta :)
I'm really sorry I didn't think about that. Thank God the messages are moderated! :)
I hope you get my mail this time. Will wait for news from you. Thanks

[Win2Win]

You're upgraded.

[alright]

You're upgraded.

Thank you very much, Keith. I have to leave now but I can't wait to come back and get all the info from you experts.:happyboun

[scoobydoo]

Am I right in there is 1 for Run for profit today good people?

[Mattw07]

Yep i have just the one today as well Scoobs.

[scoobydoo]

Thanks Matt. :thumbs

[jonahjones]

Am I right in there is 1 for Run for profit today good people?

I've got two. :yikes:

[scoobydoo]

I've got two. :yikes:

Jonah...what race is the other one you have, just had one in 3.0 Brighton?

[peza2605]

i had none:splapme

[scoobydoo]

i had none:splapme

Dont worry peza...the one I had got beat! :)(3.0 Bri Martinet) Come back soon mathare...get the software sorted eh!
Im going to start posting daily to see if Im not missing any...I think I do some days! :ermmm

[hudsonmat]

Do you guys just do running for profit or do you do the quickies as well?

cheers
matt

[peza2605]

according to me martinet didnt qualify scoobs.


i keep meaning to post mine too. i do running for profit, LTO3,johnston and 6+loser.

[hudsonmat]

thx peza,

Has the stoute one not been performing too well then??

Would it be okay if i posted selections (not the names obviously) for the four quick systems in this thread for people to verify.

cheers
matt

[peza2605]

thx peza,

Has the stoute one not been performing too well then??

Would it be okay if i posted selections (not the names obviously) for the four quick systems in this thread for people to verify.

cheers
matt

havent checked the stoute one, no reason just a time thing with me as i only have about an hour to do stuff before i need me sleep.

[scoobydoo]

according to me martinet didnt qualify scoobs.



Well too late now but I think it was a qualifier...just checked again on racing post website.

[peza2605]

Well too late now but I think it was a qualifier...just checked again on racing post website.


pm'd you scoobs.

[scoobydoo]

Got it mate, have replied.

[drfernet]

3.00 brighton, Martinet, a qualifier according to the rules.

[peza2605]

i feel such a fool ........A FOOL!

[jonahjones]

Jonah...what race is the other one you have, just had one in 3.0 Brighton?

Sorry I couldn't reply earlier Scoob, I posted that in my 30-second lunch break.

I also had the 5.00 at Brighton.

Both lost for the record. :)

[peza2605]

im really glad i missed em then:D

[peza2605]

who did you have in the 5.00 ? i made it canadian danehill which didnt qualify, or have i messed up again? mind you i checked this morning on RP.

[scoobydoo]

Sorry I couldn't reply earlier Scoob, I posted that in my 30-second lunch break.

I also had the 5.00 at Brighton.

Both lost for the record. :)

No probs....You get as long as that....going to have to have a word with your boss Jonah!! :D

5.0 Bri was not a qualifier mate....will pm you why. :)

[scoobydoo]

who did you have in the 5.00 ? i made it canadian danehill which didnt qualify, or have i messed up again? mind you i checked this morning on RP.

No... you were right peza.

[jonahjones]

who did you have in the 5.00 ? i made it canadian danehill which didnt qualify, or have i messed up again? mind you i checked this morning on RP.

There were joint favourites in that race Pez and the other one (Puskas) qualified.

[peza2605]

ah yes i see....... that my common mistake the joint fave ones.

[scoobydoo]

ah yes i see....... that my common mistake the joint fave ones.

Me too...Im a knob ****! :ermmm

[hudsonmat]

Tomorrow's Flat Quicks I get:

3 on system 2.

2.35 Catt
5.35 Catt
7.50 Kemp

cheers
matt

[peza2605]

right i get.......

running for profit none

lto none

6+loser none

m johnston ..four

[scoobydoo]

I get none for running for profit as well

[Mattw07]

I get the same as Peza, 4 on MJ.

Also One Lay selection if anyone does them.

[hudsonmat]

Which race am i missing on the MJ system please.

thanks
matt

[jonahjones]

I get none for running for profit as well

Likewise!

[Mattw07]

these are the racers i have.

Catterick 14:35
Catterick 17:35
Kempton 19:20
Kempton 19:50

[hudsonmat]

these are the racers i have.

Catterick 14:35
Catterick 17:35
Kempton 19:20
Kempton 19:50


The 19.20 at Kempton is a 3yo+ maiden so I don't think this selection qualifies according to the rules.

regards
matt

[scoobydoo]

Likewise!

Thank God for that...well after making an **** of myself yesterday!! :splapme:laugh

[Mattw07]

The 19.20 at Kempton is a 3yo+ maiden so I don't think this selection qualifies according to the rules.

regards
matt

Your right matt.

::swear, I definately will be buying Mats Auto sys thing now!

[hudsonmat]

Tomorrow I get one 6+ and one Stoute.

cheers
Matt

[scoobydoo]

1 for Running for Profit??

[peza2605]

1 on running for profit

1 6+loser for me.

[hudsonmat]

A few for tomorrow:

1 - 6+ loser
3 - MJ
1 - MS

cheers
matt

[scoobydoo]

1 on running for profit for me today??:doh

[Mattw07]

yer i get the same fellas,

1 - running for profit
1 - 6+
3 - MJ
1 - MS

[scoobydoo]

yer i get the same fellas,

1 - running for profit


ooh thats good!! :thumbs Sent you a pm Matt.

[alright]

Hey guys, my first day with the pro Systems. I would see only one qualifier for M Johnson at Wolv? (Don't know if I can mention the time...) Can anyone confirm please?

[scoobydoo]

Hey guys, my first day with the pro Systems. I would see only one qualifier for M Johnson at Wolv? (Don't know if I can mention the time...) Can anyone confirm please?

I dont do Quickfires at the moment but Im sure someone will be able to help you out soon enough.

[peza2605]

Hey guys, my first day with the pro Systems. I would see only one qualifier for M Johnson at Wolv? (Don't know if I can mention the time...) Can anyone confirm please?

hi, i make it one at wolves also. but i get two at sandown.

also one on the 6+

[alright]

You're right peza. I didn't consider sandown because I made a mistake while copying and pasting the courses list and missed that track. Thanks for pointing out. :)

[huckabuck]

cant find the running for profit qualifer:doh what card is it at?
huck

[scoobydoo]

cant find the running for profit qualifer:doh what card is it at?
huck

Tonight at Haydock.............forget it...its off surprise surprise!:splapme

[alright]

I get 3 qualifiers for M Johnston today. 2 of them are in the same race. Does it mean I have to back them both? Thanks

[Mattw07]

I get 3 for MJ today as well and yer you need to back them both.

[alright]

Thank you Matt. It would be a blast if the latest one was winning, eh? :thumbs

[Win2Win]

It'll be a blast when the weather gets better, and the form book returns :)

[scoobydoo]

It'll be a blast when the weather gets better, and the form book returns :)

Hallelujah...praise the Lord! :REDanceda

[alright]

Help please.
For M Johnston I would see 3 qualifiers today, but I still struggle with the last rule about distance. In a form where do I see if a previous race is flat or NH? Can anyone confirm and help please? Thank you

[peza2605]

Help please.
For M Johnston I would see 3 qualifiers today, but I still struggle with the last rule about distance. In a form where do I see if a previous race is flat or NH? Can anyone confirm and help please? Thank you


sent you a pm matey.

[marky72]

1st day betting after a week on holiday not a good day 4 the 2 backing systems and 2 laying systems but cant complain

[hudsonmat]

Not having a great start with these i have to say current strike rate for the 4 flat quick backing systems is less than 6&#37; for the month, hopefully tomorrow can improve things:

2 - 6+
2 - LTO3
1 - MS
0 - MJ

regards
matt

[Win2Win]

I don't think many folk are making any money on the flat over the last 3-4 weeks. Most of the pro's I know are struggling, and we can't wait for more NH racing, and get back to the big money.

[marky72]

over the last 3-4 weeks im showing a slight loss so im pretty happy

[Mattw07]

Not having a great start with these i have to say current strike rate for the 4 flat quick backing systems is less than 6% for the month, hopefully tomorrow can improve things:

2 - 6+
2 - LTO3
1 - MS
0 - MJ




Yep i get the same Matt.

You might want to think about doing the Lay system, out of the 5 its the one in the most profit for me.

[scoobydoo]

Running For Profit for 12th July...I get

3 in total with 2 in same race???? Anyone confirm please? :)

[Mattw07]

Running For Profit for 12th July...I get

3 in total with 2 in same race???? Anyone confirm please? :)

Yer same here scoobs.

[scoobydoo]

Yer same here scoobs.

Thanks Matt

[hudsonmat]

Yep i get the same Matt.

You might want to think about doing the Lay system, out of the 5 its the one in the most profit for me.

Thank matt,

don't really have time to do the lays with work commitments during the day,

how are you banks looking for this season overall?

regards

matt

[marky72]

yes same for me 2 in the running for profit

[alright]

Can anyone confirm please? Only 1 qualifier today? Thank you

[scoobydoo]

Anyone got 1 for running for profit?

[mathare]

I get 1 Running For Profit but 2 Mark Johnston qualifiers

[peza2605]

me too.

[mathare]

5 CD lays and 6 Lay'ems if anyone is interested. Nothing else on any other system