Win2Win Systems Chat & Results

[mathare]

So the 6.30 is no bet then is it?At the minute I class it as a qualifier.

The RP card says 8 run, it lists 8 horses in the field and the Postdata table lists all 8 horses. All 8 horses have an RPR. Only 7 have a Topspeed rating and only 7 appear in the betting forecast so while it is likely that 7 (at most) will run there are still 8 runners in that field.

That's my take on it anyway.

[scoobydoo]

At the minute I class it as a qualifier.

The RP card says 8 run, it lists 8 horses in the field and the Postdata table lists all 8 horses. All 8 horses have an RPR. Only 7 have a Topspeed rating and only 7 appear in the betting forecast so while it is likely that 7 (at most) will run there are still 8 runners in that field.

That's my take on it anyway.

It isnt running no....and Keith says on the right hand side;

"Check for non-runners, it can make a difference, esp if it drops below 8"
I would say it doesnt qualify then....Keith help??:helper

[mathare]

It isnt running no....and Keith says on the right hand side;

"Check for non-runners, it can make a difference, esp if it drops below 8"
I would say it doesnt qualify then....Keith help??:helperOK. The cards I have got from the RP (downloaded about 15 minutes ago) still include the horse so the field has 8 runners in it. One is doubtful but there is nothing on the card to say it's a definite NR. So based on the information I have available to Auto-Sys there is a qualifier in that race.

I will be laying the horse that 'qualifies' from that race as that is what I have always done and the key is to be consistent. What you do is up to you but stick to whatever choice you make for all future races too.

I can see from Oddschecker that Grudge is a NR to bring the field down to 7 but Auto-Sys doesn't have access to Oddschecker (or anything other than the RP data). I could potentially treat all runners marked as DOUBTFUL in the RP cards as NRs but I am not sure that is 100% valid. I haven't been able to confirm that every DOUBTFUL runner has turned out to be a NR by the time the race has come around.

But then this wouldn't help any in a field of 8 declared runners one of whom is withdrawn before the race starts. Auto-Sys would still say there is a qualifier in that race as it works off the declared racecard information. This is why I will be laying what I class as a qualifier in the 6.30 at Musselburgh as Auto-Sys has said it qualifies based on the declared cards. The card says 8 run and that's good enough for me. The alternative is to re-check every Auto-Sys selection just before I place the bet and make sure that the field going to post matches the field as declared on the racecard and that would be a proper pain in the proverbial. So I have taken the easy way out and assumed that over the long term things will even themselves out.

[Win2Win]

DOUBTFUL

It isn't always a non-runner, especially during times of bad weather. NR's can always be checked by the user afterwards if that is what they have chosen to do long term anyway.

[scoobydoo]

Ok thanks Mat, Keith.....I will leave them alone in a 7 I think but as long as you stay consistent eh.

[jayster]

Hi folks,
I've just bought the Jumping for Profit system and I've been reading the forum for the past while with great interest. Its been entertaining and very informative, definitely the best thread on horse systems going :thumbs So, after all that cajoling, could someone please confirm for me that there is just one qualifier using the JFP system today, running at Newton Abbot at 2:45? Hopefully you guys don't mind if I seek confirmation during the early days until I get more used to it.

keep up the great work,
jay

[scoobydoo]

Hi folks,
I've just bought the Jumping for Profit system and I've been reading the forum for the past while with great interest. Its been entertaining and very informative, definitely the best thread on horse systems going :thumbs So, after all that cajoling, could someone please confirm for me that there is just one qualifier using the JFP system today, running at Newton Abbot at 2:45? Hopefully you guys don't mind if I seek confirmation during the early days until I get more used to it.

keep up the great work,
jay

Hi jayster.....you are right mate...2.45 N.Abbot....if you just scroll up here a little bit you will see that there are a couple of posts that confirm todays races in the systems and JFP is one of them....this is normally done everyday for you to check. There is nothing wrong with you putting what you think yours is first...someone will verify this soon enough. :)

[mathare]

That's the one Jay :thumbs

[jayster]

Thanks a million guys, excellent help in this forum

[Win2Win]

....excellent help in this forum

As long as it is not Vegy answering...then yes :)

[scoobydoo]

Just been through these with my eyes half closed..get me excuses in early I hear you say...

3x Johnston
1x CD Lay
3x LTO3
1x 6+Loser
1x Run for Profit
2x Stoute

????????

[mathare]

Auto-Sys reckons:

1 x CD Lay
10 x Layem
3 x LTO3
4 x Johnston Tracks
3 x Michael Stoute
1 x Run for Profit
1 x Six Plus Loser

[scoobydoo]

Auto-Sys reckons:

1 x CD Lay
10 x Layem
3 x LTO3
4 x Johnston Tracks
3 x Michael Stoute
1 x Run for Profit
1 x Six Plus Loser

Auto-Sys.....tell me I'm an :butthead: will you?!

I now get

4x Johnston
1x CD Lay
3x LTO3
1x 6+Loser
1x RFP
3x Stoute

The ones I missed were 2 in 1 if you know what I mean....:ermmm:ermmm:headbange

[MattR]

Can someone point me to the 6+ and RFP races as I'm running short of time, thanks :)

[jayster]

Hi guys,
I'm just wondering if there are JFP selections today. I make it that there are 2, the first at Beverley at 2:40, the second at Hamilton at 6:55. Can anyone confirm this for me? :)

thanks a lot,
jay

[mathare]

Can someone point me to the 6+ and RFP races as I'm running short of time, thanks :)6+ is 2.10 Bev and RFP is 2.20 Yarmouth

[mathare]

Hi guys,
I'm just wondering if there are JFP selections today. I make it that there are 2, the first at Beverley at 2:40, the second at Hamilton at 6:55. Can anyone confirm this for me? :)

thanks a lot,
jayThere's no NH racing today Jay so no selections. It's flat today

[MattR]

6+ is 2.10 Bev and RFP is 2.20 Yarmouth


Thanks Mat, much appreciated!

[jayster]

Thanks for the reply Mat,
I've probably been going about this all wrong but I've been making the selection based on the race titles and I could see nothing in the title to tell me that the race was a flat rather than a "jump". Both had "claiming stakes" in the title so I thought I was okay then. The "banned words" according to the system were missing from the title so I thought everything was hunky dory. So I guess my question is, in the future how can I tell that the race is a jump rather than a flat. Thanks from saving me wasting valuable funds on incorrect selections. :thumbs

all the best,
jay

[mathare]

So I guess my question is, in the future how can I tell that the race is a jump rather than a flat. Thanks from saving me wasting valuable funds on incorrect selections. :thumbs

all the best,
jayJumps (aka NH) races will be chases, hurdles and NH flat/bumper races. Everything else is flat. If it less than 2m it's flat.

[jayster]

Thanks a million again Mat,
you've been a great help again,

take care,
Jay

[mathare]

OK, 16th August goes something like:

4 x CD Lays
7 x Layem
2 x LTO3
1 x Mark Johnston
3 x Running for Profit
2 x Six Plus Loser

[huckabuck]

mathare,i get 2 rfp 2.20 & 5.50 and 3 LTO3 check the 7.50 please:doh
huck

[mathare]

Lto3 - 7.50 & 2.20
Rfp - 5.50, 3.05 & 2.20

[huckabuck]

mat check the form for the 3.05

[huckabuck]

got it ,the 0 was putting me of:snooze need to go back to bed.
huck

[mathare]

got it ,the 0 was putting me of:snooze need to go back to bed.
huckSo it's a qualifier, yep?

[huckabuck]

thanks mat:laugh

[mathare]

thanks mat:laughNo worries, checks like that one help me confirm my Auto-Sys code is correct

[scoobydoo]

OK, 16th August goes something like:

4 x CD Lays
7 x Layem
2 x LTO3
1 x Mark Johnston
3 x Running for Profit
2 x Six Plus Loser

I also get

4x CD Lay
2x LTO3
3x RFP
2x 6+Loser
1x Johnston

Sent you pm Mat.

[Mattw07]

I only get the one LTO3, Doesnt rule 6 affect the 2:20 race?

[scoobydoo]

I only get the one LTO3, Doesnt rule 6 affect the 2:20 race?

Yes it does...it has changed since last night! Thanks Matt.

[mathare]

I only get the one LTO3, Doesnt rule 6 affect the 2:20 race?I hate having to get the e-book or code out to check these rules. And I have reordered some of them in the code anyway but let's have a look. Rule 6... the going. Was obviously OK when I downloaded the cards around 9.30 this morning else Auto-Sys wouldn't have picked the selection. The going was Good when I downloaded the cards so it qualifies for me based on the information available at the time when the selections were made and published.

[Mattw07]

ok thanks fellas.

[scoobydoo]

Maybe the consistency thing again Mat? I just wondered when the past results of this race are listed it will go down as good/soft so wouldnt qualify under the results figures would it? Im knocking it out but again a preference and time thing....some people wouldnt have time anyway if they had done them earlier and were then at work??

[mathare]

Maybe the consistency thing again Mat? I just wondered when the past results of this race are listed it will go down as good/soft so wouldnt qualify under the results figures would it? Im knocking it out but again a preference and time thing....some people wouldnt have time anyway if they had done them earlier and were then at work??Auto-Sys will include/exclude it based on the info available at the time. I tend to run the qualifiers around 9.30 in the mornings during the week. In this case the going changed since I ran them but to be honest there is little I can do about that other than run them all again just before the off of each race, and I don't have the time or inclination to do that.

Will any of you repeat your manual selection processes before each race?

I am using the system rules as a framework if you like. They guide me as to the selections and then convenience kicks in. My list of qualifiers is accurate at the time it is produced and that is the list of horses I will bet on. The going may change, horses may we withdrawn to reduce field sizes but I don't have the time or mental capacity to memorise all the system rules and check such factors before placing the bets so for me my list is definitive.

If there is sufficient demand maybe we need to look at releasing Auto-Sys to include the e-book systems rather than the preferred route of publishing qualifiers online and not releasing the software. It's easier that way for all sorts of reasons. But it means you're stuck with my list of qualifiers from when I ran Auto-Sys unless you want to run all the rules manually and see if the selections differ.

I believe the approach I am taking is sensible as I cannot believe the odd occasions my selections differ from the 'proper' selections won't balance out enough to be negligible in the grand scheme of things.

[Win2Win]

Consistency. Changes happen a minority of the time, and would make litle overall difference on profits, one year it may reduce them a small %, the next year it may increase them a small %.

Auto-Sys will probably 'evolve' over time, and user input is always welcome.....even if we ignore it :laugh

[scoobydoo]

Maybe the consistency thing again Mat? I just wondered when the past results of this race are listed it will go down as good/soft so wouldnt qualify under the results figures would it? Im knocking it out but again a preference and time thing....some people wouldnt have time anyway if they had done them earlier and were then at work??

I think I might have changed my mind now....I dont take much convincing do I!! I think I am just going to do them at a set time and then whatever happens afterwards, Ill just ignore...unless about 5 runners come out in an 8 runner race or we have floods or something.... something extraordinary like that! :splapme

[mathare]

I think I might have changed my mind now....I dont take much convincing do I!! I think I am just going to do them at a set time and then whatever happens afterwards, Ill just ignore...unless about 5 runners come out in an 8 runner race or we have floods or something.... something extraordinary like that! :splapmeI honestly believe my way of doing things is the best way for someone who can't spend all day checking and re-checking things that probably won't make much difference to the bottom line.

I could recode Auto-Sys so that it checks field sizes better and warns you in case runners pull out but where do you draw the line? Suppose the system rules say a field of 6 to 12 runners. Do I flag qualifiers in a field of 6 declared with one doubtful runner? Yeah, but what about fields of 6 without a doubtful runner? If a horse is withdrawn the rule isn't satisfied so the selection no longer qualifiers. Do I then extend this to fields of 7? What about 8? Some races can have half a dozen NRs so where do I draw the line? What about fields of 16? There could be 5 NRs so the race suddenly becomes a candidate for selections. :23_111_9[

Or I could list all the rules that might change next to each 'selection' so you'd still have to check the field size, going and things like that. I think that way madness lies.

Suppose you back a selection and the off is delayed while a horse is withdrawn as it won't enter the stalls. This withdrawal takes the field below the minimum for that system. But your money is already down. Do you lay the bet off or let it run?

You only have so much control over these things and as long as your selections are based on the most accurate information you have available at the time the selections are made that is all you can do. As Keith says some years you will gain from this convenience approach and some years you will lose out but we're talking small amounts here. After all over 99% of your selections will match the core rules and be 100% correct.

[Win2Win]

Now I'm confused!!!! :cuck I'll stick with a pin thanks :laugh

The rules basically state use RP data, RP do not change the online ground data during the day, even if the track does.

What folk do with non-runners, as mentioned in the eBooks, is down to choice, as long as they are consistent.

[scoobydoo]

Now I'm confused!!!! :cuck I'll stick with a pin thanks :laugh

The rules basically state use RP data, RP do not change the online ground data during the day, even if the track does.

They mustve changed it if Mat did them at 9-30 this morning as they wouldnt have qualified would they?

[Win2Win]

RP have TWO online updates. Early, and Late the day before, but seldom do they change it on the day, as it would not match the paper.

[mathare]

Today's starter for 10:

2 x CD Lays
13 x Layem
1 x LTO3
2 x RFP
1 x 6+ loser

[scoobydoo]

Today's starter for 10:

2 x CD Lays
13 x Layem
1 x LTO3
2 x RFP
1 x 6+ loser

2x RFP
1x LTO3
2x CD Lay
1x 6+Loser

[mathare]

How's about:

2 x CD Lays
1 x JFP
1 x Ladies Lay
5 x Layem
2 x Johnston Tracks
2 x Michael Stoute
3 x Trainer 3

[scoobydoo]

Well Mr Saville...I get,

2x CD Lay
2x M. Johnston
2x M. Stoute
1x JFP

:thumbs

[Win2Win]

You should :D :wink

[scoobydoo]

You should :D :wink

Ahhhhh...did them last night.....and got them all right!:yikes: :wink Not a bad day really..

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just looking for confirmation that the JFP selection today is the 7:10 at Market Rasen. Just want to be absolutely sure :)

all the best,
Jay

[mathare]

just looking for confirmation that the JFP selection today is the 7:10 at Market Rasen. Just want to be absolutely sure :)
That's the one Jay

[jayster]

Thanks a million Mat :thumbs,
take care,
Jay

[marky72]

mathare when is auto-sys available and do you know how much its gonna cost

[Win2Win]

mathare when is auto-sys available and do you know how much its gonna cost

It's being made available in steps so we are not inundated with requests. And it's between £1.50-£3 a month per eBook

[mathare]

mathare when is auto-sys available and do you know how much its gonna costIt's available now. Click here (http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=53005) for details

[mathare]

Sunday:

2 x CD Lays
1 x Claiming Jockey
1 x Jump for Profit
4 x Layem
4 x NHPM
1 x Nine or Less
1 x Run for Profit
1 x Six Plus Loser
1 x Trainer 3

[mathare]

Monday:

3 x CD Lays
6 x Layem
2 x LTO3
1 x Johnston Tracks
2 x Run for Profit

[huckabuck]

mathare i only get one LTO3, the 2.45
huck

[scoobydoo]

mathare i only get one LTO3, the 2.45
huck

t'other is 7.20 Yarmouth

[scoobydoo]

Monday:

3 x CD Lays
6 x Layem
2 x LTO3
1 x Johnston Tracks
2 x Run for Profit

3x CD Lays
2X LTO3
2x RFP
1x Mark Johnston

[huckabuck]

scoobs check the going

[scoobydoo]

scoobs check the going

Theyve changed it since I did them...:doh....youre right Huck now. God luck at the non-runners anyway at Yarmouth!!

[Win2Win]

The GOING is what ever time you run the systems. You can't keep redoing them every time a going changes, i can happen 3 times in a day in bad weather.

[mathare]

The GOING is what ever time you run the systems. You can't keep redoing them every time a going changes, i can happen 3 times in a day in bad weather.And often then it may not be reported, at least not correctly. If the RP says Good but the course is running Heavy the official going won't switch from Good to Heavy in one jump. They may go Good-Soft (Soft in places) or perhaps Soft but I doubt you'd see a jump to Heavy. After all it's an admission that they got it quite staggering wrong isn't it?

[Merlin]

Well I got :

2x BJ
1 X 69
2 X come from behind system
1 x the Spencer wait I`m coming in a minute system
3 x do you want fries with that sir, system…

Hope the going don’t change again…:yikes:…:laugh

[scoobydoo]

The GOING is what ever time you run the systems. You can't keep redoing them every time a going changes, i can happen 3 times in a day in bad weather.

It dont matter now eh...Yarmouth is off!

[Win2Win]

It dont matter now eh...Yarmouth is off!

Duck racing went well though :rolleyes:

[mathare]

Just on the subject of the going - The Sun printed the going for Yarmouth as Good-Firm (Good in places) and it was called off this afternoon due to waterlogging :doh

[Win2Win]

Wasn't it Newmarket a few months back, started with Gd-Fm....ended with Heavy? :ermmm

[scoobydoo]

Wasn't it Newmarket a few months back, started with Gd-Fm....ended with Heavy? :ermmm

Mmmm....ground and bookie satchels no doubt!!:rolleyes:

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just looking for confirmation of the JFP selections for later today. I make it that there are 4 in total. 2 at Newton Abbot (5:35 and 7:35), the others at Perth (6:20 and 6:50).

all the best,
jay

[marky72]

yes thats right mate

[hudsonmat]

Can anyone confirm if there is a 'Nine or Less' selection in the 7.50 at Perth. Not sure about the last rule whether or not a place of '0' qualifies or not.

thanks
matt

[Win2Win]

N Abbot OFF

[alexpro7]

Morning all

I dont think the 6.20 perth is a qualifier due to distance!

[mathare]

Tuesday (excluding Newton Abbot):

2 x JFP
2 x Layem
2 x LTO3
1 x Michael Stoute
1 x Nine or Less
1 x RFP
1 x Trainer 3

There are also a few on the Auto-Sys freebies too

[scaaty]

Morning all

I dont think the 6.20 perth is a qualifier due to distance!


Yes, it does qualify - have a look at the bit in italics, below the yellow highlighted rule :)

[alexpro7]

Cheers
I stand corrcted

[MattR]

Just on the subject of the going - The Sun printed the going for Yarmouth as Good-Firm (Good in places) and it was called off this afternoon due to waterlogging :doh


Never believe anything in The Sun :laugh




Quick question on the Odds On Heavy system in the freebies bit on Auto Sys. Todays are NH but is this an NH system or is it NH and Flat. Just want to know what spreadsheet to put it on as I have seperate ones for those.

[mathare]

Quick question on the Odds On Heavy system in the freebies bit on Auto Sys. Todays are NH but is this an NH system or is it NH and Flat. Just want to know what spreadsheet to put it on as I have seperate ones for those.NH only Matt

[MattR]

Thanks Mat.

[Merlin]

Well...I have had a few going changes this morning...

Started off soft…then went good to firm…….and eventually, became hard….but its turned soft again , now …Doh……

[Mattw07]

Which race is the 9 OR Less in? I cant seem to find it, 19:50 is the only one that comes close. but i didnt think it qualified

[mathare]

Which race is the 9 OR Less in? I cant seem to find it, 19:50 is the only one that comes close. but i didnt think it qualifiedIt does qualify. Or at least did when I ran the qualifiers and I can't be :butthead: re-checking the rules to make sure it does still qualify. I am pretty sure my code is correct now so I'm rolling with it.

[Mattw07]

Im pretty sure nothings changed on the card.
The reason i dont think it qualifies is to do with its National Hunt form, Last time out it finishded 6th and previous to that it finished 11th. It shoudnt pass the last rule.

[MattR]

Actually Mat, I think Matt's right (too many Matt's involved here :laugh ) It does say *th to *th, I actually had *th+ on my sheet and that's wrong too.

[mathare]

Perhaps I have interpreted this rule rather than applying the strict letter of the law but read the clarifications on the RHS for that rule and then argue the toss. I would class it as a qualifier as to not do wouldn't make much sense in the context of what does count

[MattR]

I'd agree with that Mat.

Maybe Keith could clarify the rule as he has put that on the ebook rather than *th or worse.

[Win2Win]

As mentioned elsewhere on the forum the other day...o stands for '10','11','12'....etc....which is NOT 5-9, as stated in the eBook.

[MattR]

As mentioned elsewhere on the forum the other day...o stands for '10','11','12'....etc....which is NOT 5-9, as stated in the eBook.


Uh oh, you've just give Mat some more work :yikes:

[mathare]

Uh oh, you've just give Mat some more work :yikes:A six-character change to the Auto-Sys code was all :D

Auto-Sys NH Quickfire updated online too.

[Jonny2621]

are the Quickfire ebook qualifiers active on auto sys then Mat ?

[MattR]

Great, at least it wasn't painful! Auto Sys has saved me a load of time already :thumbs :)

[Jonny2621]

Great, at least it wasn't painful! Auto Sys has saved me a load of time already :thumbs :)

My system details are stuck on my dead laptop so I cant follow anything until auto sys is running for me.
I have emailed Keith with my amember details, what do I do next ? (Remember I am a technophobe....:splapme ) Do I wait on Keith now ?

[mathare]

are the Quickfire ebook qualifiers active on auto sys then Mat ?They most certainly are.


I have emailed Keith with my amember details, what do I do next ? (Remember I am a technophobe....:splapme )Wait. The boss will confirm you have purchased the eBooks and e-mail you back with details of what to do (I hope!). It should simply be a case of logging in to the W2W aMember bit and subscribing to the Auto-Sys eBook qualifiers in the same sort of way as you subscribe to the members info.


Great, at least it wasn't painful! Auto Sys has saved me a load of time already :thumbs :)Auto-Sys has been designed to be as easy to update as possible such that changes to any of the system rules, or the RP code or whatever can be accounted for quickly and simply. It's hardly rocket science but I am quite proud of it. I know the code can be made a bit more slick but it's quick enough as it is (all cards downloaded and reformat ready for processing plus all 18 systems run across all meetings in under a minute I'd say) so I don't see the need to tinker any further. Glad it's helping you out Matt.

[Win2Win]

What email? :doh

[Jonny2621]

What email? :doh

Is that directed at me or Mat ? :doh . I have emailed you at info@win2win.co.uk.

[Win2Win]

You have now :)

[scoobydoo]

I get for today;

2x Running for Profit
2x CD Lays
1x Mark Johnston
2x 6+ Loser
1 Jumping for Profit

[mathare]

Spot on Scoobs.

7 x Lay'em
1 x Claiming Jockey
1 x Odds-on Heavy

on top of those.

[scoobydoo]

2x Jumping for Profit
1x Cd lay
1x Michael Stoute
1x 6+ Loser

Have I missed any at all???

[mathare]

There are also (from other eBooks):

1 x Claiming Jockey
1 x First Timer
2 x Ladies Lays
1 x Layem
3 x NHPM
3 x Trainer 3
1 x Odds-on Heavy

[marky72]

math theres only 2 nhpm
stratford 3.25
4.35

[mathare]

math theres only 2 nhpm
stratford 3.25
4.35No mar, there are 3 NHPM. I suggest you look at the 3.25 again

[marky72]

theres only 1 in that race the other is 15/2 which doesnt qualify

[mathare]

theres only 1 in that race the other is 15/2 which doesnt qualifyNow check the rules for the system :rolleyes:

[MattR]

I'm missing something somewhere but I have 3 JFP Font 6.25, 6.55 and Strat 2.50

[mathare]

I'm missing something somewhere but I have 3 JFP Font 6.25, 6.55 and Strat 2.50I don't have a 6.25 - hang on... fails the last rule

[scoobydoo]

I'm missing something somewhere but I have 3 JFP Font 6.25, 6.55 and Strat 2.50

Yeah check the last rule Matt....didnt finish did it.

[MattR]

Ah ok,thanks. That clears something up then as I was never quite sure whether P counted or not in that rule.

[marky72]

math the rules say if it is 15/2 or more it doesnt qualify and thats 15/2

[scoobydoo]

Ah ok,thanks. That clears something up then as I was never quite sure whether P counted or not in that rule.

I was never quite sure on this one either.... He has said to me though that if it didnt finish, then it couldnt ............. by blah blah blah! :)

[jayster]

Hi guys,
I've not been doing the JFP system for long now but very happy with it so far :) However, I was certain that the 6:25 at Fontwell would have been a qualifier today - it mentions nothing in the rules that I received for the system about horses that pull-up ..... therefore I assumed it automatically satisfied the last rule? I wonder if Keith has some definitive clarification on this one?

all the best,
jay

[mathare]

math the rules say if it is 15/2 or more it doesnt qualify and thats 15/2:yikes: That'll teach me to use the rules as I wrote them down and not check the eBook :splapme

[mathare]

it mentions nothing in the rules that I received for the system about horses that pull-upWe (the forum) have had this discussion goodness knows how many times. Horses that do not finish were not beaten by a given distance LTO. Check the RP form if you like. It'll say under Race Outcome "PU/14 Iron Man (25/1) 11-6b" or similar whereas if it finished the race it'd say "2/8 12L, Here's Johnny (5/1) 11-0"

[Win2Win]

Horses that (P)ull up obviously DO NOT FINISH

[scoobydoo]

Horses that (P)ull up obviously DO NOT FINISH

Keith...you could maybe add this to your JFP ebooks for future purchases...would clear all this up eh?? Ill send my copy back to you for changing then!! :yikes:

[jayster]

Thanks for that Mat,
I understand your logic completely ...... but I was naturally thinking that if a horse does PU, its going to be more than ***** from the finishing line, making this one, and others like it, valid qualifiers. Thats definitely something Keith should include in the e-book for sure in the future though for newbies like myself - luckily I've had the time to pore over the forum for the past while, but not for much longer unfortunately. Ye have been a great help with all my queries. :thumbs

many thanks again,
Jay

[Win2Win]

Keith...you could maybe add this to your JFP ebooks for future purchases...would clear all this up eh?? Ill send my copy back to you for changing then!! :yikes:

Never seen a reason to do that, if a horse does not go over the line and does not have an official place, it does not finish. Simple. :)

If you are in the London Marathon and pull-up with a stitch, and go home, you PULLED UP, so DID NOT FINISH.

[mathare]

It's the same in other sports too.

Take Formula 1 for example. The gap between the winner finishing and the other cars is measured in minutes and seconds. Unless the car doesn't complete the race then it is behind by a number of laps or they give it a DNF and note the lap number the car retired on. So a car crashing into the barriers on the opening lap hasn't been beaten by the winner by a minute or more because the crashed car didn't complete the race.

[scoobydoo]

Never seen a reason to do that, if a horse does not go over the line and does not have an official place, it does not finish. Simple. :)

If you are in the London Marathon and pull-up with a stitch, and go home, you PULLED UP, so DID NOT FINISH.

Yes it makes sense with your explaination.....just trying to save you time when the next question comes...which it will! :thumbs

[MattR]

To be fair Keith, the Claiming system in the NH Quickfire does *************** under explained say includes not finished

So they didn't finish but are included in that rule :wink :D
I think that's why some confusion has come about

[MattR]

It's the same in other sports too.

Take Formula 1 for example. The gap between the winner finishing and the other cars is measured in minutes and seconds. Unless the car doesn't complete the race then it is behind by a number of laps or they give it a DNF and note the lap number the car retired on. So a car crashing into the barriers on the opening lap hasn't been beaten by the winner by a minute or more because the crashed car didn't complete the race.


If I may answer that as you would Mat, technically those going over the line after the winner but recorded as 3 laps down, didn't actually finish either :D

But joking aside, yes I get the point.

[vegyjones]

Never seen a reason to do that, if a horse does not go over the line and does not have an official place, it does not finish. Simple. :)

Well, actually - they did finish,
just not at the ajudged correct finishing point :peeky

[mathare]

If I may answer that as you would Mat, technically those going over the line after the winner but recorded as 3 laps down, didn't actually finish either :DOh I know that, yeah. Which is why I tried (unsucessfully) to distinguish between those that finished and recorded a time and those that didn't. If you're lapped then you don't finish, I realise that, as you've not done the full race distance when the chequered flag is shown.

[Win2Win]

To be fair Keith, the Claiming system in the NH Quickfire .......

Didn't know we talkin' about that one boyo (note to self, get more sleep, and cut down on the funny pills).

DID NOT FINISH is included as the rule states clearly. DID NOT FINISH is ANY LETTER as shown in the example.

The odd mistakes tend not to do long term damage as long as the majority are correct :)

[scoobydoo]

3x CD Lay
3x Running for Profit
2x LTO3
1x Mark Johnston

[mathare]

I've got 4xRFP Scoobs

[scoobydoo]

I've got 4xRFP Scoobs

I'm a northern :icon_tong....off I went to check RP after your post and then found three of them again...ticked them off...then looked at the bottom of my sheet and there was the fourth one...oh dear oh dear!!:ermmm I dont mind finding RFP ones really...but I still get it wrong ....when I get it right if you know what I mean!!:splapme

[mathare]

Bank holidays are often a testing time for racing punters. So many meetings with races coming thick and fast all afternoon. And many of us have a missus and/or family who think we should spend time with them not spend our bank holidays poring over racecards. Yet this is what many system bettors will be doing.

I make it 7 UK meetings this bank holiday Monday split 5 flat meetings and 2 NH.

There are are 5 systems in the NH Quickfire eBook plus one each in the Jumping for Profit and NHPM eBooks. Plus the freebie TJ Murphy, AP McCoy and Odds-On Heavy systems. That's 10 systems for 2 meetings.

There are 5 systems in the Flat Quickfire eBook plus one each in the Running for Profit and Lay'em eBooks. That's 7 systems for 5 meetings.

So we have a total of 55 system-meetings if you like. Suppose on average it takes you 2 minutes to run a system across a meeting that's 110 minutes, or nearly 2 hours. And even then you may not be sure you've got all the qualifiers correct.

Subscribe to Auto-Sys and you can have all these selections in a couple of minutes. The majority of the hard work is done for you. All you need to do is click the links that take you to the qualifiers for each eBook and in a couple of cases check the distance a horse was beaten LTO. Easy. Less than 5 minutes and you have the full list of qualifiers for all the eBook systems.

So how much is your time worth? With eBook Auto-Sys subscriptions starting from £1.50 per month can you really afford to spend 2 hours doing something you could in 5 minutes?

NB In order to subscribe to Auto-Sys you must own the relevant eBook. Contact Keith (Win2Win) by PM/e-mail if your purchased eBooks are not showing in your aMember account.

[marky72]

does anybody know what time the selctions are online with auto-sys

[marky72]

ignore the above post:icon:headbange

[Win2Win]

ignore the above post:icon:headbange

I've already read it....do I now require hypnosis to make me forget? :geek

[marky72]

maybe keith

[jayster]

Hi guys,
I've only the one e-book so far so I won't subscribe to auto-sys just yet. I wonder if anyone can confirm for me that there is just the one JFP selection today at Huntingdon at 2:05 :)

TIA,
Jay

[marky72]

yes thats right jay

[jayster]

Many thanks for that Marky :thumbs,
Jay

[susanwells]

Is that Ballyboe Boy ? :hearty

[Win2Win]

Nice one Susan :rolleyes: :headbange :D

[marky72]

anybody who is thinking about buying the auto-sys it is money well spent

[Win2Win]

anybody who is thinking about buying the auto-sys it is money well spent

Gives you your life back :thumbs

[tophatter]

I can vouch for that.

Mats done the biz with this.

[jayster]

Hi folks,
I'm just wondering if its possible for me to get the full details of how the JFP selections fared over the last 12 months. In the e-book I got from Keith it only goes up to 31/5/06. I am well happy with the system so far .... its picking some nice winners for me and looks to be absolutely in line with the past figures which is lovely to see :)

all the best,
Jay

[MattR]

I can vouch it's money well spent. Saves so much time and has enabled me to start them all up again as I'd stopped a few due to time constraints and didn't want to dip in and out of them only when I had time. Today for instance there is just no way I'd have had time to go through all the systems on 7 meetings and I'd have missed a load of winners. The odd manual rule takes a few seconds a horse and other than that it's just a case of typing the selections into your spreadsheet.

[jayster]

Hi guys,
Just looking for confirmation that there are no JFP selections today. Also wondering if someone might reply to my last post, maybe Keith has the data I'm after. :)

TIA,
Jay

[mathare]

There's no JFP today Jay

As for the data - what exactly are you after? Just a profit/loss figure since start of June '06? Or the full set of selections with prices etc?

[scoobydoo]

Hi guys,
Just looking for confirmation that there are no JFP selections today. Also wondering if someone might reply to my last post, maybe Keith has the data I'm after. :)

TIA,
Jay

No JFP today, youre right jay. The data will be updated on the ebooks when Keith gets it...I would think.

[jayster]

Thanks for the replies guys,
I'm after the data (selections, prices, SP,return, bank) for selections since the start of June 2006. You see the e-book Keith sent me only has data up to the end of May that year so I was hoping to find out how the system has fared over the past 12 months in a little detail. :)

all the best,
Jay

[Mavrick]

Is it just me, or when you go to download the results for the Flat Quickfire systems, it downloads the NH quickfire ones?

[Win2Win]

If I knew what link you were talking about I could fix it, as I updated all the pages the other day, all 30+.

[Mavrick]

It's the one on the Flat Quick Fire page to the right of (FREE Full 5 year results spreadsheet)

[Mavrick]

The link button is blue

[Win2Win]

It doesn't now :thumbs

[Mavrick]

Good stuff

[Mavrick]

I'm still getting the NH ones Keith using that link. I've downloaded them now from another one.

[Win2Win]

:doh

[Mavrick]

Maybe I should have cleared my cookies etc.

[Mavrick]

Does anyone use Auto-Betfair for these as it looks ideal if you can't get to your computer in the middle of the day? Also I was wondering why the Auto-System selections couldn't come on line much earlier so you could set up Auto-Betfair early in the morning and then the whole day would be your own?

[mathare]

Also I was wondering why the Auto-System selections couldn't come on line much earlier so you could set up Auto-Betfair early in the morning and then the whole day would be your own?The service states they will be online by midday each day. I try and get them online significantly earlier than that, often by 9.30 or 10.00. When racing starts at 2pm and I have a job to do as well (I'm not a gambling pro) how early do you want them on? :rolleyes:

[Win2Win]

Auto-Betfair tends to miss bets, so is not reliable. Manual betting is more accurate.

[Mavrick]

how early do you want them on? :rolleyes: I was thinking the night before as the RP tends to have its betting forecasts up quite early, and you could leave some offers on BF over night.

Maybe Auto-Betfair isn't such a great idea then.

[mathare]

I was thinking the night before as the RP tends to have its betting forecasts up quite early, and you could leave some offers on BF over night.What are you hoping to gain by this? Sure, the RP may have its data on the night before but there are often a number of withdrawals on the day of the races or the forecast going changes or something along those lines. In short you can't rely on the cards from the evening before to be correct come the actual racing the next day.

I have settled on a compromise of trying to use the most up-to-date cards possible and fitting the service in with my daily working commitments, hence the qualifiers being online around 10am most days but perhaps not till midday others.

If your Auto-BF bets are not matched overnight you need to leave the software running till they are, and you're betting into malformed markets with low liquidity if you bet the previous evening. It just strikes me as an odd thing to do unless that really is your only choice.

[Mavrick]

Having them up the night before isn't really important as not much gets matched for serious cash during the night anyway, but having them available at 0600 or something would give some people plenty of time to look at the markets and to decide whether to leave an offer, use auto-betfair or to just strike a bet all before going to work. I just thought putting them up the previous night would also save you having to do them in the morning.

I know having them up by 9 or 10 is still great, but a lot of people would be at work by then and unless you have access to the internet and have time to look at betfair, you'll still probably going to have to find the selections manually.

I didn't think about the going changes, and that would cause a few problems as they would have to get updated again in the morning.

It was just an idea. I think it was such a pity that there wasn't a safe way to license out the software for people to use.

I wasn't having a moan as it's great what you've managed to put together:)

[Win2Win]

I wasn't having a moan

Can we have a vote? :laugh :D

The problem with the RP the night before is that they tend to change the F/c prices once the updated Raceform prices come in, late at night. This is why the RP site can differ from the paper.

[marky72]

keith when my auto-sys runs out do i get an e-mail to remind me

[Win2Win]

keith when my auto-sys runs out do i get an e-mail to remind me

No idea how I set it up, let me know :laugh

I'll have to check. :doh

[jayster]

Hi guys,
this thread has become a little quieter since autosys has been released :) I don't currently subscribe to it though as I have just the one e-book to date (JFP). I wonder if someone can confirm that there have been no selections either today or yesterday with JFP. Also I wonder if any of you have figures as to how the JFP has been performing for you over the last 12 months - strike rate, LSP profits, 3% of bank profits. All information greatly appreciated. :thumbs

all the best,
Jay

[tophatter]

There has been no jump racing over the past couple of days which is normal as it is currently the flat season.

I have got no figures myself for the ebooks as I have only just added them to my portfolio of 30 banks having played around with them when they first come out. Now thanks to Mathares Auto sys I can do them properly .

I know Scaaty had posted in another thread she was well up on a couple of ebook systems over the year but I cant remember if that was flat or jumps or backing or laying.

Obviously 2007 is still in progress which is why the ebook dont contain those figures. Keith usually updates stats when he can extract them the following season.

I would not worry to much about how anyone else is doing as it is all subjective anyway due to the exchanges giving different prices, different comission rates and people missing different selctions for differetn reasons. Just start off, as it suggests, with a bank you can afford to lose, follow the rules to the letter and stay focussed and you will have the best data anyone could ever wish to have soon enough - your own.

[Mavrick]

There's no selections 2moro either.

[Win2Win]

There's no selections 2moro either.

Thanks to the excellent racing calender planners :ermmm

We've lost 2 jumping tracks due to floods this summer, so much less NH than normal, although going by the results from the last 7 meetings, I'm glad, costing me a fortune :headbange

The NH will start going up a gear in September.

[jayster]

Thanks for all your replies guys,
I know what you're saying alright tophatter about everyone having different results etc. I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for how people have been getting on with it in general terms. It has been performing just fine for me in the short time that I have been using it - its just great to hear how other people are getting on with systems :)

take care,
Jay

[tophatter]

No worries Jay,

well im making a concious effort from now on to report how im doing on various things. I have come to the sad conclusion that im not too good at tipping things but what i am good at is system betting and sticking at things.

I will do updates now and then to let people know how im getting on with the various ebooks so you can see how its panning out for someone else.

[jayster]

I'd appreciate that very much tophatter - it'd be great to know how people are getting on with other systems too - let me know what I can expect when I get the dosh together to purchase them myself. :thumbs

many thanks,
Jay

[scaaty]

Just got a few figures sorted out - I'm afraid I'm a bit of a dinosaur and haven't got to grips with spreadsheets yet, all I've got are notepad files for each system, very simple but takes a while to calculate anything from them !

NH Jumping For Profit system, started June 2006 ( I said in another thread that I'd started it in October, but I got that wrong)

Total of 275 bets, 118 winners, 42.9% SR

Starting bank £94, bank now £412, using 3% stake

Flat Running For Profit system, started May 2006

Total of 364 bets, 133 winners, 36.5% SR

Starting bank £158, bank now £1047, also 3% stake

I haven't kept a note of the prices I took, but in general I haven't had too much trouble beating SP by at least 10% usually quite a bit more on the Flat system. Prices tend to be quite a bit shorter on the NH system but higher strike rate.

As Tophatter says though, my results may not be the same as others - for instance I missed about a month earlier this year due to illness and I've no idea what effect that had. From reading the forum it seems that results this year have been all over the place because of the bad weather, flooding etc so it's reassuring that both systems are well in profit despite that. :)

[jayster]

Many thanks for your stats Scaaty - very helpful indeed. Its absolutely great to see people having success with the systems. Just goes to prove that patience and discipline are the key attributes here - I had been sorely lacking in both in the past but I have turned over a new leaf since purchasing the JFP system and I will hopefully reap some rewards also. Your banks have shot up in the past 12 months and it just proves that the systems have continued on their impressive form in the past 12 months. Fair play to you for sticking to the rules, hope you are feeling much better now also. :)

take care,
Jay

[Mavrick]

Yes, great results there Scaaty. Just goes to show what you can do. I think I'm gonna knock method bets on the head and mostly just concentrate on systems. Never thought I would say that.

[Win2Win]

Starting bank £158, bank now £1047, also 3% stake

As I always mention, the first year is just about education, and building up a bank, onc ethat is done Scatty's second year should grow between £5,000-£10,000....that is when all the hard work pays off and then you have the decent bank to go to war with in the 3rd year.

Although at that point it would be best to split some off to start new banks, and lower the overall % to say 2.5%.

Year 4 should then see you making enough to purchase Indonesia :laugh

[jayster]

Hi guys,
I wonder if anyone can confirm for me that there have been no JFP selections since 27/08. Just want to make sure I've not been missing any since. :)

TIA,
Jay

[Mavrick]

Correct and there are none tomorrow either. It will really pick up in a couple of weeks.

[jayster]

Many thanks for the reply :thumbs,
Jay

[alfazzr1100]

Hi Maverick, having just purchased the ebook tonight I am interested (!) to hear that.

Why do you say it will really pick up in a few weeks ?

Thanks

Ian

[mathare]

Why do you say it will really pick up in a few weeks ?At the minute we are coming towards the end of the flat and summer jumps season. In a few weeks the flat will be out the way and proper NH will dominate and then there will be an upturn in the number of NH meetings and selections.

[alfazzr1100]

Hi,

Having bought the H J for Profit eBook yesterday and following Mathare's reply about September and Scaaty's comment about missing a month on NH Jumping for Profit (and as there were no selections to back today, and tomorrow ?) I did a bit of playing with the results spreadsheet to see how seasonal it is.

Basically, from 1998 to 2006 July, September and December look poor giving a cummulative negative results returns (losses) over the period. July was positive for 2 out of 8 years, September and December 5 out of 8 but lost money overall as later years have a bigger influence over net p/l because the bank is building up so the negatives are greater than the earlier positive results. Feb, Mar, May, Oct & Nov were all good months with only 2 negatives out of 8 whilst interestingly 4 out of 8 Aprils were negative although cash was positive overall.

June to September have averaged around 14-16 selections per month whilst the other months range from 30 - 45 on average.

I was wondering if this thinking (with a deal more analysis) could lead to omitting certain months to improve the system or is this falling into the trap of "curve fitting" after the event ?

Please do not assume that I am immediately trying to change an established system on the first day - I am going to follow it religiously (?) as soon as it gives me a selection. I am just bored and hypothesising.

Any thoughts?, Ian

[mathare]

is this falling into the trap of "curve fitting" after the event ?I'd say it is almost exactly that Ian. You talk about later years having a larger influence on the bottom line than early years due to bank size so take bank size out of the equation and do everything to level stakes and see how it looks then.

[Win2Win]

Training methods....Summer jumps....changing weather & season all have an effect on 'losing periods'......and if you can predict them, let the weathermen know...:)

Always good practice to play with results though.

[alfazzr1100]

Just checking - I can find no selections tomorrow using NH Jumping for Profit - is this correct.

thanks, Ian

[mathare]

Just checking - I can find no selections tomorrow using NH Jumping for Profit - is this correct.Based on the cards as they are at present, that is correct.

[jayster]

Hi guys,
I wonder if anyone can confirm fotr me that there are 4 JFP selections today as follows: Font 3:15, Strat 2:30, 3:00, 3:35

TIA,
Jay

[scoobydoo]

Thats right Jay :thumbs

[Ada]

Yep, spot on Jay.

Ada.

[jayster]

Thanks a million guys,
Jay

[Mavrick]

Looks like I've been making lots of mistakes as I haven't been counting claiming hurdles, as I thought they were sort of in violation of rule 1:splapme

I've only been doing them for a year:laugh

[Mavrick]

Add sellers to that as well

[alfazzr1100]

I placed my first bets on the J4P system today (well last night actually). Here follows a table (if it pastes in OK) with the forecast odds last night, the odds I got on betfair and the SPs.

Horse Pos F/C SP Actual odds on Betfair
Instructor 6 2.625 2.5 3.00
FAIT LE JOJO 4 2.375 7.0 2.82
Toni Alcala 1 2.625 5.5 2.52
Ellerslie Tom 6 3.00 1.8 2.80

There are some quite large differences that worry me. If you reduce the overbet in the past results spreadsheet the profits rapidly dissapear. I was happy with the odds when I placed them except for Toni Alcala but as you can see on two I got well under SP. Fait le Jojo was especially odd. Is this just a problem caused by placing the bets the night before do you think ?

Thanks
Ian

[marky72]

ian why didnt you put the bets on today

[Mavrick]

I put them on as well last night Ian, and I got ***** odds on the winner. You never know how the cookie is gonna crumble, but in the long term I think you will always get better odds backing them early as the winners tend to get backed in and we don't care if the losers drift. You can't judge after a day.

[Jammey]

:thumbsthanks keith once again for your kind help when i bought your systems .as usual your honesty is beyond reproach.
THANKS
jammey

[alfazzr1100]

Hi Mark72,

I just knew that I would not be available on Sunday to put the bets on and as they were the first selections since I bought the system I was not going to miss them.

Ian

[marky72]

ok no probs

[Mavrick]

Not only have I not been beating SP on these in the last couple of weeks, I haven't been getting anywhere near. As silly as this may sound, I've been kind of hoping that they would get turned over so they wouldn't contribute to the Strike Rate:yikes:

[mathare]

Not only have I not been beating SP on these in the last couple of weeks, I haven't been getting anywhere near.Nowhere near on any of the systems? What about your other bets? What have you been doing differently, if anything?

My flat combo overley/overbet has come down a bit in the past couple of weeks but my NH combo overlay is the same as it was a few weeks back. Of the systems I record separately some overlays have gone up and some have gone down but one or two results can have a big impact on the overlay when you don't have many selections recorded.

[Mavrick]

I only do the JFP and the RFP along with the system banker. My method bets have been fine, but that's probably because I make a tissue for every bet, but recently with the systems whether I've got the bet matched early or have waited to nearer the off I just haven't been getting a decent price. I don't think it has anything to do with anything just rather I've been a bit unlucky lately. It's still frustrating though.

Just a couple of examples. The last JFP winner I lost almost two points on SP:yikes: I'd like to think that I'm pretty good at reading markets and I was pretty confident that todays selection would be around if not better then its opening price on the exchanges last night (5/2) so I left it until midday where it was 2s and I was sure it would drift, but I ended up chasing it to below 6/4just before the off. :splapme

Must do better.

[mathare]

If you can use Bet365 it is worth doing so. Then you can take an early price knowing you won't get any worse but could get a better price if it drifts.

[alfazzr1100]

Mavrick,

If you were talking about Last Pioneer, I put it on with Betfair at 6:30 this morning as I knew I would be on the train etc later and not able to get it. It was around 3.0, I think then. I was in a rush and the graph was on the up so as I could not remember the f/c odds so I left an unmatched bet (I could have sworn it was 3.2) and came home to a matched bet at 3.3 ?

All academic as it turned out to be Lost Pioneer (if not quite Last) !

Ian

[Mavrick]

Yep that's the one Ian. I could of got 3.2-3.3 but I thought it would drift so I left it and ended up taking 1.46/1.

It's all academic now like you say.

[magikeren]

Why is the horse in the Sandown 5:10 not Qulifier for LTO3??

[MattR]

Days since run

[magikeren]

Ahh..thought it was the total amount of runs. But it's days since last run then?

[MattR]

Yep.

[magikeren]

Cool..managed to safe my bet on the exchange by laying so all is fine...haha :0)...

[magikeren]

The going on WOL 8.25 is wrong acording to the rules for LTO3 (i think), so why does it appear on the Auto-Sys page?

[mathare]

The going on WOL 8.25 is wrong acording to the rules for LTO3 (i think), so why does it appear on the Auto-Sys page?Because there is nothing wrong with the going. Check the clarifications for the first rule in the eBook.

[magikeren]

The going according to racingpost is STANDARD. That is not included in the 6th rule of LTO3.

[magikeren]

Maybe Racingpost changed the going?

[mathare]

The going according to racingpost is STANDARD. That is not included in the 6th rule of LTO3.No, it's included in the clarification of the first rule as this is not a turf race.

I suggest you read up more on horseracing in general, especially racing surfaces.

[mathare]

Maybe Racingpost changed the going?AW goings almost never change. And even if RP did change the going (for a turf race) there is a disclaimer on the Auto-Sys pages that states the going was correct at the time that the qualifiers were obtained so the selection would not be altered.

[scaaty]

I don't have the 8.25 as a qualifier for lto3, doesn't fit the last rule ?

[scoobydoo]

I don't have the 8.25 as a qualifier for lto3, doesn't fit the last rule ?

No it doesnt fit last rule ....youre right...:thumbs

[magikeren]

agree on that on ;)...and proberly I should read more into it...hehe...but thanks ;)

[mathare]

I don't have the 8.25 as a qualifier for lto3, doesn't fit the last rule ?Indeed, which is why the Auto-Sys page has the manual checks on it

[allibente]

Hi all,

Do these systems require a full afternoon in front of computer ?

How many hour a day do you spend using these systems ?

It's important for me to know that as I work almost in afternoon, so I'm afraid that I haven't enough free time to run these system.

Thank you so much

[craiglog]

Hi Everybody,i'm a new member and would like to know please which would be the best W2W systems to buy.
I'd be quite happy to buy several systems and although past results all seem excellent i don't know how they have been performing recently.

[marky72]

hi guys i wanted to start a new system so ive bought the nhquickfire just wondered hows it been doing 4 you guys :wiggle:

[alfazzr1100]

Hi there,

Just checking - I can find no Jumping for Profit selections for tomorrow - anyone agree or otherwise ?
Thanks,
Ian

[marky72]

theres no nh meetings tomorrow mate

[mathare]

hi guys i wanted to start a new system so ive bought the nhquickfire just wondered hows it been doing 4 you guys :wiggle:My blog contains my results for the eBook systems

[alfazzr1100]

Am I right to think just one for J4P today, Strat 2:35 ?

[huckabuck]

there is no j4p today. the (2.35) is at goodwood,flat race

[alfazzr1100]

Sorry, typo I meant 2:15 Strat:

Stratford 16 September 2007
2:15 MILTON HARRIS RACING MAIDEN HURDLE (DIV I) (CLASS 4) (4yo+) Winner
Ian

[mathare]

No J4P today at all.

[mathare]

2:15 MILTON HARRIS RACING MAIDEN HURDLE (DIV I) (CLASS 4) (4yo+) Check the conditions and title of this race against the rules carefully Ian

[alfazzr1100]

Derrrrrr! Thanks Mathare, Got it now! I'll have to slow down and read them again. I thought it was funny that System Banker had one selection and J4P another - quite possible I suppose but it did raise alarm bells - I backed the SB selection but they both lost !

[magikeren]

Hi!
I know that a nursery is a handicap for 2years, but is that really included in the LTO3? In the explanation to rule 1 it says: "you have to find one of these words in the race title"!
That is not the case in a nursery.

[mathare]

In the explanation to rule 1 it says: "you have to find one of these words in the race title"!It actually says "You will find one of these words in the race title" and is just explaining where the information can be found. And some sites describe nursery races as nursery handicaps anyway.

[magikeren]

ok...just confused me ;)...but good to get it clarified ;)

[marky72]

hi guys i started doing the flat quickfire systems yesterday not a very good start but impressed with the results especialy the johnston system

[Mattw07]

yer bad couple of days marky but overall since april i think, its way in profit, just give it time like all the other systems.

[marky72]

sorry guys i think i must have jinxed the flat quickfire since i started at the weekend

[mathare]

sorry guys i think i must have jinxed the flat quickfire since i started at the weekendMark Johnston is a Flat Quickfire system and hit a 12/1 winner today (that I got 19.5 on). Not sure that's a jinx, is it?

[Mattw07]

damnit i never get the best odds, i got 19!

[marky72]

yes thats cool mathare i got 17.5 on it and 10 on love valentine

[mathare]

yes thats cool mathare i got 17.5 on it and 10 on love valentineI had to put Love Valentine on early so got 13 (12/1 SP) so I lost out a little there but very happy about those today. Just a shame everything else went to rats :laugh :ermmm :headbange

[MattR]

Yeah I put them both on early and lost out, although still nice prices for the win anyway! One hit high 20's didn't it?

[tophatter]

I only got 9/1 on love valentine. The other one I got 17/1. Still that is still a little bit more than the combined SP so not too bothered.

[Win2Win]

Imagine what Johnston would have managed without the 2 month monsoon we had!!

[mathare]

Imagine what Johnston would have managed without the 2 month monsoon we had!!Chelsea :doh

[Win2Win]

He'd have them trained to battle all the way to the finish, just winning by a nose :) ....a bit like they do now :doh

[marky72]

hi guys in the auto-sys for the flat quickfire on the johnstons system in the manuel rule selection it says rowley/1l+ does anybody know what is the rowley part of it

[mathare]

hi guys in the auto-sys for the flat quickfire on the johnstons system in the manuel rule selection it says rowley/1l+ does anybody know what is the rowley part of itThe RP treats the two courses at Newmarket identically in terms of racecard navigation and titling whereas the system only applies to one of those courses so you need to check which course the meeting is being held on.

[Win2Win]

July in the summer only.

[marky72]

how do u check which course its on mathare ive looked on rp website but cant see it anywhere