Win2Win Systems Chat & Results

[mathare]

how do u check which course its on mathare ive looked on rp website but cant see it anywhereThen it's probably safe to assume it's Rowley. But you can check on Newmarket's website as I did earlier.

[marky72]

ok thanx mathare

[Win2Win]

Can you not go to the Newmarket website and see what that tells you?

[Win2Win]

The clue is in the word 'July' :)

[paul183195]

The clue is in the word 'July' :):laugh

[jayster]

Hi guys,
long time since I dropped in .... hope ye are all doing well. I'm just looking for confirmation that there are no selections for the JFP system for tomorrow. Also I'm wondering if someone can confirm for me that there have been no JFP selections since the 12th September. I know its a bit late to be asking that question now but I just want to make sure I've been following the rules properly. :)

TIA,
Jay

[marky72]

yes thats right jay are you running any of the other systems

[jayster]

Hi Marky,
thanks for your reply - the JFP system is the only one I've bought so far - haven't had too many selections to date (I got it at the end of July) but it is performing just as expected really. I'll buy a few more systems in time I'm sure - just want to find my feet with the JFP one first. Pretty much all of the systems appear to be working fine in the long term, which is the way they must all be treated. :thumbs

thanks again,
Jay

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just wonder if someone can confirm for me that there was a JFP selection today (a bit late now but just want to be sure - I backed it anyhow and it came up trumps :thumbs) and that there are 2 valid selections for tomorrow: Perth 3:00 and Fontwell 2:40 :)

TIA,
Jay

[Mattw07]

yup there was 1 today, havent checked tomorrows racing yet.

[marky72]

yes thats right for tomorrow jay

[jayster]

Thanks very much for the info guys - great help as always :thumbs

rgds,
Jay

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just looking for confirmation about the JFP selections for tomorrow. I believe there is one at Mkt Rasen at 1:35 but am not 100% sure its a valid qualifier.

TIA,
Jay

[Mavrick]

There's nothing tomorrow Jay. The horse has to have had a run.

[scaaty]

I don't have it as a JFP qualifier Jay - last race was Flat not NH.

[jayster]

Many thanks for that info Mavrick - great help :thumbs

Jay

[huckabuck]

check the (f) after the days it has run jay

[marky72]

hi guys in the nh quickfire the trainer 3 selections one doesnt meet all the criteria but is a selection on auto-sys the horses at the meeting rule

[mathare]

hi guys in the nh quickfire the trainer 3 selections one doesnt meet all the criteria but is a selection on auto-sys the horses at the meeting ruleNot sure how that slipped through - let me check the code...

[mathare]

Neither of the Trainer 3 selections meet all the rules - the Auto-Sys page has been updated accordingly.

I have updated the code behind Auto-Sys also. The problem had arisen due to an error on my part. Auto-Sys was unable to determine the end of the meeting from the racecards so wasn't counting the number of entries each trainer had properly. This has now been rectified.

Cheers for that marky72

[marky72]

just looked again mathare its both the selections mate

[marky72]

ok mate

[mathare]

just looked again mathare its both the selections mateAye. Seen it, solved it & updated it all round

[jayster]

Hi guys,
my usual seeking of confirmation about the JFP selections for tomorrow. I believe there is only 1 selection, at Mkt Rasen in the 2:10.

TIA,
Jay

[Mavrick]

That is the one Jay. Fingers crossed:)

[orientalexpress]

could someone please confirm that there are

no qualifiers for RFP

and

Flat lays
4.20 X 1 Brighton
5.30 X 2 Windsor

thanks

[mathare]

Spot on OE

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just looking for confirmation about JFP selections for tomorrow - I make it that there are 4, all at Sedgefield. The first at 2:30, then 3:00, 3:30 and 4:00. :)

TIA,
Jay

[scaaty]

Yes, I've got those 4 too Jay :thumbs

[jayster]

Many thanks Scaaty ... great feedback as always :thumbs

Jay

[orientalexpress]

Today im starting the 4 ebooks properly with £200 each
3% win 1% lay

Can someone please confirm for 2/10/2007

Flat lay em
WOL 3.50 x 3

RFP
No selection

JFP
SED
2.30 x 1
3.00 x 1
3.30 x 1
4.00 x 1

NHPM
No selection

[huckabuck]

JFP.check the (3.00) o,clock again.lto it does not qualify (chase or hurdle)

[orientalexpress]

JFP.check the (3.00) o,clock again.lto it does not qualify (chase or hurdle)

for the last rule the number is greater by about 15.75 times , is it not right ?

[huckabuck]

for the last rule the number is greater by about 15.75 times , is it not right ?

its last race was not a chase or hurdle.it ran in a NH flat race
huck

[mathare]

its last race was not a chase or hurdle.it ran in a NH flat race
huckYou sure about this rule Huck?

[mathare]

Flat lay em
WOL 3.50 x 3I get plenty more than that one OE but I have had to update Auto-Sys this morning so I am just going to double-check my selections manually.

[mathare]

I get 7 Lay'em selections in total. Plus:
4 x JFP
4 x Flat Quickfire (2 x 6+, 1 x CD, 1 x LTO3)

[yerotsluap]

Mat I don't see the LTO3 qualifier but i probably just missed will double check

[mathare]

2.20 at Wolves Paul

[MattR]

Mat, on autosys, I'm getting an error when linking to the flat quickfire page? All the other pages are fine.

[yerotsluap]

Thanks Mat had missed it completely even when double checking

[Win2Win]

Mat, on autosys, I'm getting an error when linking to the flat quickfire page? All the other pages are fine.

I've just been for a flu jab, come back and he's broke it? :rolleyes: :D

[Win2Win]

I can't get a copy either, Mat, FTP your end again....:)

[mathare]

Mat, on autosys, I'm getting an error when linking to the flat quickfire page? All the other pages are fine.Just uploaded again if you want to give it a try

[MattR]

Yep, working fine now thanks :thumbs

[Win2Win]

Did I forget to mention sometimes Dreamweaver cocks up during an FTP, hence some of the times I've uploaded, only to discover later it hadn't actually transmitted all the data!

[Win2Win]

Works now I GET :thumbs

[mathare]

There is NO NH Quickfire today despite what I said earlier. Auto-Sys and qualifiers page updated accordingly

[orientalexpress]

if you look on the racing post for 4.10 warwick the title says

' Bryant Homes Nursery (Class 5) (2yo,0-75) £3,071.25 '


if you look on sportinglife it says

' Warwick 16:10 Bryant Homes Nursery Handicap '

probably the reason ?

[mathare]

Nursery races are 2yo handicaps

[Win2Win]

You can usually tell a handicap just by looking at the weights. If they are all different, handicap, clumps the same, non-handicap. :)

[huckabuck]

You sure about this rule Huck?

yes

[huckabuck]

mat, the lto3 does not qualify to me,on the length it was beaten by rule
huck

[Win2Win]

mat, the lto3 does not qualify to me,on the length it was beaten by rule
huck

That is the manual rule you need to check yourself.

[orientalexpress]

for flat lays

can someone confirm for the rest, Ive been using the racing post but didnt notice the nursery handicap races

4.10 warwick x 3
2.20 wolver x 1

Thanks

[huckabuck]

That is the manual rule you need to check yourself.

:doh you have lost me keith

[scaaty]

mat, the lto3 does not qualify to me,on the length it was beaten by rule
huck

Qualifies according to the RP site, not according to the SL site - I use RP so I have it as a qualifier

[Beaky]

Is there not a potential NH Quickfire System 5 selection in the 5.30 if there are some non-runners between now and then?

[orientalexpress]

for flat lays

can someone confirm for the rest, Ive been using the racing post but didnt notice the nursery handicap races

4.10 warwick x 3
2.20 wolver x 1

Thanks

anyone ? :happyboun

[huckabuck]

Qualifies according to the RP site, not according to the SL site - I use RP so I have it as a qualifier

scaaty, i use the racing post but i have never added head,neck or shoulder
to the length it was beaten by.
huck

[mathare]

anyone ? :happybounThat's it OE :thumbs

[scaaty]

scaaty, i use the racing post but i have never added head,neck or shoulder
to the length it was beaten by.
huck

I've always just clicked on the horse name and loked at the last race in the window that pops up - under race outcome it gives distance beaten as 1L. If you go on and click on the race itself, then yes I see what you mean, but I've never done that. I guess it's just one of those 'be consistent' things!

[mathare]

scaaty, i use the racing post but i have never added head,neck or shoulder
to the length it was beaten by.
huckRP form says it was beaten by 1l LTO so that's what I use. I don't know where you are getting head/neck or any other body part from

[orientalexpress]

That's it OE :thumbs

cheers matey :spinning

[Win2Win]

mat, the lto3 does not qualify to me,on the length it was beaten by rule
huck

This is a manual rule on Auto-Sys is it not?

[huckabuck]

yes scaaty i click on the race itself,thanks huck

[mathare]

yes scaaty i click on the race itself,thanks huckIf that's the way you have always done it then continue to do it that way. It's not the way I do it, as you would have seen from my earlier remark.

[orientalexpress]

Todays systems bets 3/10/2007

JFP No selections
NHPM No selections

RFP
Newcastle 3.10 x 1
Salisbury 4.00 x 1

Flat lays
Kempton 7.20 x 2
Kempton 7.50 x 2
Kempton 9.20 x 1
Nottingham 5.20 x 1
Salisbury 1.30 x 2

Anyone agree ?

[mathare]

Anyone agree ?Yes

[orientalexpress]

Yes

Thanks matey :wiggle:

[Beaky]

Being a Newbie can someone point me in the direction of a few systems to get me going? I have both NH and Flat Quickfire. Which systems within those portfolios should I focus on or are there others which will get me off to a good start? Thanks.

[orientalexpress]

04/10/2007

System bets

JFP - No selections
NHPM - No selections

Flat lays -
AYR
4.30 x 1
5.40 x 1
GOODWOOD
3.30 x 2
KEMPTON
8.20 x 1
8.50 x 1
NEWMARKET
2.35 x 3
4.55 x 1

RFP -
AYR 4.30 x 1
GOO 2.20 x 1
NEW 3.45 x 1


So who wants to agree with me ?:lickme

[mathare]

So who wants to agree with me ?:lickmeNot me today, sorry.

I don't have lays at Goodwood but I agree on the rest. Looks like the going could have changed for Goodwood since you obtained your qualifiers though so that may explain it.

[orientalexpress]

Looks like the going could have changed for Goodwood since you obtained your qualifiers though so that may explain it.

Your correct there :thumbs

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just wondering if someone can confirm for me that there is one JFP selection for tomorrow - at Hexham in the 2:30.

TIA,
Jay

[Mavrick]

That's the one I've got:thumbs

[jayster]

Sound Mavrick,
many thanks indeed :thumbs

Jay

[orientalexpress]

System bets today 5/10/2007

JFP
HEX 2.30 x 1

NHPM
HEX 4.15 x 1
HEX 5.20 x 1

Flat lay em
MUS 2.20 x 1
MUS 3.30 x 2
WOL 8.25 x 1

RFP
MUS 4.05 x 1
WOL 8.55 x 1

Hows that sound ?:happyboun

[mathare]

I have an extra Layem in the last at Wolves

[orientalexpress]

I have an extra Layem in the last at Wolves

Missed that one, thanks. So the rest is all good ?

[mathare]

Missed that one, thanks. So the rest is all good ?Aye

[orientalexpress]

Aye

Lets rock and roll !

[Mavrick]

Being a Newbie can someone point me in the direction of a few systems to get me going? I have both NH and Flat Quickfire. Which systems within those portfolios should I focus on or are there others which will get me off to a good start? Thanks.

Better late then never:) If I were you I would run them all as there are not that many bets on the Quick fire systems compared to the For Profit ones. You do not need to have all the money from your banks there to start with as it would take a long time with them bets with a losing run to do too much cash in a short period of time. If that makes sense.

[mathare]

Being a Newbie can someone point me in the direction of a few systems to get me going? I have both NH and Flat Quickfire. Which systems within those portfolios should I focus on or are there others which will get me off to a good start? Thanks.If you have the eBooks then you have the historical results, or at least access to them, so look back through those and look at the SRs and ROIs and see which systems suit you best.

[orientalexpress]

6/10/2007

system bets

JFP - no selections

NHPM
Fontwell
2.50 x 1
4.35 x 1

RFP
KEM 2.05 x 1

Flat lay em
KEM 2.35 x 1
KEM 3.10 x 1
KEM 3.45 x 3
KEM 4.55 x 1

NEW 4.30 x 2
RED 5.20 x 1
WOL 8.55 x 1

Who would like to agree with me ? :wiggle:

[orientalexpress]

anyone :( ?

[Mattw07]

the r4p, j4p and flat laym are correct but i havent checked the nhpm so not sure about that

[Mavrick]

Can someone please confirm for me that there is a selection tomorrow for the JFP system in the 305 at Uttoxeter 2moro? I know there is another one as well, it's just this horses previous runs that I'm not 100% sure about.

Thanks

[Mavrick]

I think I'm gonna give it a miss actually after seeing FTB's post:D

[Mavrick]

Any chance of confirmation on tomorrows JFP please.

[marky72]

sorry to you guys using the quickfire systems i think ive jinxed it.i started it 3 weeks ago and having an absaloute nightmare

[marky72]

jfp selections
2.30,3.05 utoxetter:wiggle:

[Mavrick]

Cheers Marky.

[jayster]

I was just about to ask for confirmation about the JFP selections also :) I've got the same ones guys :thumbs

Jay

[orientalexpress]

07/10/2007

System bets

RFP - no selections
Flat layem - no selections

JFP
UTT 2.30 x 1
UTT 3.05 x 1

NHPM
UTT 4.40 x 1

agreed ? :wiggle:

[mathare]

agreed ? :wiggle:Sounds reasonable

[orientalexpress]

System bets
07/10/2007

JFP - No selections
NHPM - No selections

RFP
PON 4.10 x 1

Flat lays
PON 2.40 x 1
WOL 2.20 x 2
WOL 3.20 x 3

yep yep ?

[mathare]

yep yep ?Based on the cards as shown at present on the RP, yes.

[orientalexpress]

system bets 9/10/2007

JFP - no selections
NHPM - no selections
RFP - no selections

Flat lay em -
FOL 2.50 x 2
FOL 4.50 x 2
CAT 3.00 x 2
CAT 3.30 x 1
CAT 5.00 x 1
LEI 3.10 x 2

So whos a happy bunny ?:wiggle:

[Mavrick]

system bets 9/10/2007

JFP - no selections
NHPM - no selections
RFP - no selections

Flat lay em -
FOL 2.50 x 2
FOL 4.50 x 2
CAT 3.00 x 2
CAT 3.30 x 1
CAT 5.00 x 1
LEI 3.10 x 2

So whos a happy bunny ?:wiggle:

Me. Less then 9 minutes ago I was sat on my computer at home. The missus fell asleep and now on my computer in my local boozer. The beauty of having your local on the same street as your flat.:D

The backs are right, do not know about the lays.

[huckabuck]

R4P,have a look at the 2.30 cattrick again :)

[Mavrick]

Bloody joint favs:D

Cheers:thumbs

[orientalexpress]

Bloody joint favs:D

Cheers:thumbs

LOL damn right

Thanks huckabuck :splapme

[orientalexpress]

would be great if someone confirmed the lays :)

[Win2Win]

Auto-Sys :)

[orientalexpress]

Auto-Sys :)


orientalexpress = poor student :(

[Win2Win]

Sell yourself to John to practice sex on :yikes:

[mathare]

orientalexpress = poor student :(No gambling for OE then :wink

[orientalexpress]

No gambling for OE then :wink

student loan helps but cant afford to spend £12 a month not just yet :ermmm

[Win2Win]

Student discount £17.49 a month :) (hopefully not studying maths!!)

[orientalexpress]

10/10/2007

system bets

JFP - no selections
RFP - no selections

Flat lays -
NOT 4.10 x 2
NOT 5.10 x 1
KEM 7.20 x 4
KEM 8.50 x 1

NHPM-
EXE 3.50 x 1

For now ? :)

[huckabuck]

the rest are ok, but i only see one in the 5.10 nott

[orientalexpress]

the rest are ok, but i only see one in the 5.10 nott

Yeah theres 2, have a double check look abit further down :)

[mathare]

There is one selection in the 5.10 at Nottingham. I cannot see a second.

[orientalexpress]

damnit im losing it miss read the prices headbange Thanks for correcting me

[orientalexpress]

Flat lays
Kempton 7.20 x 4 = Feels like im putting £500 on a 100/1 horse


system rules are systems rules ! :dung

[Win2Win]

Why? Even if one wins you'll lose only around 6pts :doh

[orientalexpress]

Why? Even if one wins you'll lose only around 6pts :doh

*sighs* tired of losing. Im at a loss for about 8 days now overall. Looking forward to be in profit

[Win2Win]

Only 8 days :ooo Ya lucky sod :thumbs, I'm down 5 figures the last 3 weeks :ooo

[orientalexpress]

Only 8 days :ooo Ya lucky sod :thumbs, I'm down 5 figures the last 3 weeks :ooo

The difference is your in profit overall !::swear
I guess my 3 figure bank is peanuts then :laugh

[Win2Win]

The difference is your in profit overall !

I'd only call that 'luck' this year :rolleyes:

[orientalexpress]

Why? Even if one wins you'll lose only around 6pts :doh

:D

[Mavrick]

Did one win?

I'm not running the lays.

[orientalexpress]

all 4 loss :D

[orientalexpress]

system bets 11/10/2007

JFP - no selections
RFP - no selections
NHPM - no selections

Flat Lay em -
Kempton 7.20 x 2
Kempton 8.20 x 1
Kempton 8.50 x 3

Im in bit of a rush today would be great if someone confirmed :)

[marky72]

all others ok but dont know about lay em

[Mattw07]

Yep Lays r good.

[orientalexpress]

all others ok but dont know about lay em

Thanks for quick reply, from what you told me the flay lay em have increased by 18.2% since 2/10/2007. It might be a turn around ? Something for you to consider if you want to try again :)

Thanks Matt

[orientalexpress]

system bets 12/10/2007

NHPM - no selections
RFP - no selections

JFP
CAR 2.30 x 1

Flat Lays
YOR 2.40 x 3
LING 4.00 x 2
LING 4.35 x 1
WOL 6.30 x 1
WOL 7.55 x 2
WOL 8.25 x 2

Good ?

[orientalexpress]

could someone confirm please :D

[marky72]

the jfp is correct

[Mattw07]

Yep Lays are good.

[orientalexpress]

system bets 13/10/2007

JFP
BAN 4.35 x 1
HEX 2.15 x 1

NHPM
CHE 1.25 x 1
HEX 3.50 x 1

RFP
ASC 3.35 x 1

Flat Lay em
YOR 5.20 x 2
KEM 6.50 x 3
KEM 9.20 x 2


Anyone agree ?:wiggle:

[Mavrick]

The backs look good, don't know about the lays.

Let's hope for a bit of a recovery.

[orientalexpress]

The backs look good, don't know about the lays.

Let's hope for a bit of a recovery.

agreed, the backs have been hell for me for the past 10 days or so :yikes:

[orientalexpress]

could someone confirm the lays please :D thanks

[orientalexpress]

16/10/2007
JFP - no selections
RFP - no selections

right ? :)

[scaaty]

Yes, that's what I've got too :)

[orientalexpress]

17/10/2007

JFP - no selections
RFP - no selections

[Mavrick]

I was in a rush last night and forgot to check one of the rules on the JFP and have ended up backing a horse in the 450 at Wetherby:splapme

I could lay it off for a profit or just let it run. :doh decisions, decisions:D

[Mavrick]

I decided to lay it off

[Mavrick]

I decided to lay it off

:splapme

[orientalexpress]

I decided to lay it off

unlucky mate :yikes:

[marky72]

the nightmare continues on the flat quickfire:yikes:

[orientalexpress]

the nightmare continues on the flat quickfire:yikes:

how down are the banks since you started the quickfires ?

[marky72]

the flat is about £130-

[mathare]

the flat is about £130-Figures like that are meaningless as there is no context to them. What was your starting bank? What's your average stake? What staking plan are you using?

Most semi-pro and pro gamblers will quote profit/loss figures in terms of points such that everyone can relate to the figures regardless of their bank size.

Also stating that the falt quickfire bank is down is misleading as it shouldn't be a single bank. The eBook contains 5 systems and each should be run with a separate bank. I seriously doubt all 5 of the banks are showing a loss.

[marky72]

the backing systems i use 3% of bank and 2% for the johnston all with £200 banks

[marky72]

correction when i said i was £130- i meant that both quickfire systems

[mathare]

For the flat quickfire systems, my figures to end of 15th October are:

6+ Loser: -21.06pts
Mark Johnston: +56.02pts
Michael Stoute: +47.38pts
LTO3: +13.72pts
CD Lays: +1.21pts

Looks alright to me

[mathare]

correction when i said i was £130- i meant that both quickfire systemsBoth means two. There are more than two quickfire systems. And the cash figure is still meaningless without the contextual informatio

[orientalexpress]

I want to write in gambling term but not sure how to use BB and pts properly.
All i know is % increase and loss.
Whats the best way to go about things eg if my starting bank is £200 and ive profited £44 using 3% stakes, how would i say that in pts or BB :S

[Win2Win]

I agree with Mats stats (near'nuff), been a great 4-6 weeks for the Johnston & Stoute systems.

[marky72]

these are my stats since 15/9/07 for the flat quickfire systems but im not doing the lays starting eachsystem with £200
6+loser=-£37
mark johnston=-£0.90
michael stoute =-£38.02
lto3=-£29.52
and all these selections are correct with auto-sys

[mathare]

OK, from 15th Sept to 15th Oct my figures on those systems are:
6+ Loser: -9.19pts
Mark Johnston: +20.96pts
Michael Stoute: -3.00pts
LTO3: -3.02pts

I don't know how you can't be massively ahead on the Mark Johnston system at least

[mathare]

Whats the best way to go about things eg if my starting bank is £200 and ive profited £44 using 3% stakes, how would i say that in pts or BB :SI do it by dividing the profit from each bet by the stake. So for a loser you lose 1pt and a 4/1 winner nets you a 4pt profit. If it is easier you can:
a) sum the decimal odds of all the winners and subtract the total number of bets (winners and losers), or
b) sum the fractional odds (decimal odds - 1) of the winners and subtract the number of losers
That will get you a profit/loss figure in points without taking commission into account.

[marky72]

i backed the johnston selections given by auto-sys maybe u got allot better prices on the winners

[Win2Win]

i backed the johnston selections given by auto-sys maybe u got allot better prices on the winners

Not sure how yo could get bad odds if using Betfair, SP's of 12/1 paid about 18/1, and we had 3-4 decent priced winners.

[marky72]

since the 15/9/07 i had 8 winners
at 18.5
10
1.65
12.5
3.6
9.90
10
8.3

[Mattw07]

since the 15/9/07 i had 8 winners
at 18.5
10
1.65
12.5
3.6
9.90
10
8.3

Another nice priced winner to add to the list :)

[marky72]

true i backed it at 13.00 i only got 6.44 with betdaq though and it won at 8.00 i cant win at the moment with the prices

[marky72]

mathare on the auto-sys for today on the flat quickfire theres some selections from the 17th should there be some more for today instead

[Win2Win]

Mat's on holiday :) I just cut'n'paste what the software gave me, no time for checking.

[orientalexpress]

looks like its back to manual selections grrrrrrrr

[Win2Win]

http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=55076

[orientalexpress]

System bets 22/10/2007

JFP - Plu 4.20 x 1
NHPM - No selections

RFP - Wol 4.30 x 1
Flat lay em - Wol 5.30 x 1

NH Quickfire
System 1 - No selections
System 2 - No selections
System 3 - No selections
System 4 - No selections

could someone confirm please :)

[scoobydoo]

I agree on 2 yes......I also get...

1 JFP
1 RFP
1 Mark Johnston

[orientalexpress]

I agree on 2 yes......I also get...

1 JFP
1 RFP
1 Mark Johnston

thanks mate, is anyone able to confirm the lays ?

[Win2Win]

Uploaded now. SHould be OK Tuesday as the RP seldom cocks the data up twice on the run.

[orientalexpress]

fell asleep on the computer and missed the flat lay em ;fire

[Win2Win]

I use a bed :doh

[orientalexpress]

I use a bed :doh

no beds at uni :geek

[marky72]

mathare in the 5.25 at carlisle on aut-sys theres a qualifieron the claiming system but i cant see how it is as it wasnt beaten by 16l

[Win2Win]

That's why that is a MANUAL rule as stated on the page.

[marky72]

yes sorry about that mate

[marky72]

ive been running the jfp system 1yr today starting with £300 bank
the bank now stands at £434 thats 121/263=46% strike rate

[Win2Win]

Pretty good since from April to now has been pretty crap compared with previous years.

[Mavrick]

What was the banks highest point Marky?

[marky72]

about £700

[Mavrick]

Thanks

[marky72]

hi guys ive been doing the rfp 1yr today starting with £300 bank the bank now stands at £533 106/278=38% sr

[Win2Win]

You wouldn't get that interest in Northern Rock, nor as much fun :)

[marky72]

quite true mate

[Mavrick]

I started the RFP system a little while ago for fun as I was already running the JFP and have not been doing too great with it in all honesty and am thinking whether to put it on the back burner.

You might get much better interest in the bank, but you do not have to be on your computer for three hundred days a year, and as the flat racing has got so crap in recent years I think past years results are far from a reliable guide as to how it might perform in the future.

I hate to sound pessimistic, but the rate of return seems to be going down with each year and I know people have suggested that traders will hoover up the money on the exchanges, but if you have more and more people following it then the price will get that much shorter by the morning of race day long before the traders have gone anywhere near the race.

The weather might have something to do with it, but if the weather is likely to remain the same for the distant future because of global warming and all that, then the form is going to remain unreliable.

Just my 2 cents worth. Following Keiths ebooks have made me see that systems can be a really good thing to add to your betting portfolio and I would have never of thought of using them until I cam across this site, but your best bet is to try and make one for yourself in my opinion.

[Win2Win]

Happy at the moment aren't you Mav :laugh

Go from using profitable systems (and you need to be using a few more than one) to doing your own is a massive step.

The systems I sell, I have been using for years, I wouldn't sell anything I hadn't proved with my own cash first, that does not guarantee profit in the future, but no one involved in gambling can, the risk ads fun.

This year has been slow, but not bad considering 2 months of the flat went missing!! And the overall trend is static, not downward. Remember, if you are starting with £100-£200 it takes 3 years to get to a reasonable bank, but that is a good thing as you learn how to handle the bad runs with less money. Just look at Mat's blog...started with 10p's....now can lose a few hundred in a day.....he's grey on one side, bald on the other, and his pubes have gone straight!!!

[Mavrick]

Happy at the moment aren't you Mav :laugh

:D

I am 25 tomorrow and it feels like my fun days are over before they even started. I have spent the last 5 years sitting on my computer studying racing until the early hours whilst my buddies were out down the pub having fun and now I have no buddies so I have the right to be miserable:laugh

[paul183195]

is"nt the studying ,trying to find winners,the successes,the hard luck storys, the bad luck stories all part of the fun.if not ( and its becoming a chore ) either take a break from it or give it up. IT WILL STILL BE THERE TOMORROW

[Win2Win]

I've just took 2 days off, and just planning first half of next years holidays. :)

[Mavrick]

is"nt the studying ,trying to find winners,the successes,the hard luck storys, the bad luck stories all part of the fun.if not ( and its becoming a chore ) either take a break from it or give it up. IT WILL STILL BE THERE TOMORROW

It was said in jest, I am just pee'd off because I am turning 25 in just over an hour my time, but it is good advice to take a break once in a while. My parents came to visit a few weeks ago and I hardly looked at the racing and i felt refreshed at the start of the next week. Im actually making more now then I have ever barring the last two months which were so pants I have tried to remove them from my memory. I am only using 300 pound banks with Keiths systems, but as a pro punter i am naturally tight and do not like to lose a penny more then I should.
In the course of using Keiths systems I have actually developed a couple of my own which have been doing well, one of them obscenely well and that is worth the small loss that I have endured with the ebooks as I never would have used systems if it was not for them.

This site was probably the best find I have made and the advice is second to none, so I hope people do not think I am dissing the ebooks as I am not.

It is the boris talking (dodgy czech vodka) :laugh

[tophatter]

Wish I was 25 again! :)

Can I be the first to wish you a happy Birtday Mav!

Have a good un mate and just remember you are only a day older than you were yesterday not a year!

[Mavrick]

Thanks TH:thumbs

My mission should I choose to accept it is to remain drunk for the next two days.

I accept... no questions asked.

[allibente]

Just look at Mat's blog...started with 10p's....now can lose a few hundred in a day.....he's grey on one side, bald on the other, and his pubes have gone straight!!!

Can I have URL of Mat's blog please ?:mover

[marky72]

i think i must have jinxed the johnston system every body says how good it is but since i started mid september its having a nightmare to say the least

[Win2Win]

i think i must have jinxed the johnston system every body says how good it is but since i started mid september its having a nightmare to say the least

It's SR is bang on target for the year, you can't expect a 20% odd system to have long winning runs, losing runs of 20 are fine.

[jayster]

Hi guys,
I've been running the JFP system for a very short amount of time (only since the 18th August) for my results to have any significance whatsoever, but I just want confirmation from someone that my results are not that far off everyone elses for the system during this time ...... at least it'll prove I'm using it correctly :)

My own results up to and including today are as follows:

Total qualifiers: 44 (would be 46 but I missed 2 along the way for various reasons, one of these missed horses won, the other lost)

Total starting bank: EUR667
% of bank wagered per bet: 3%
Current bank: EUR483.21
Current Strike Rate: 31.82%

Average % Overbet: 12.09%

The system appears to be going through a tough period at the moment but I've seen that it has to go through such cycles - it always comes out on top eventually so fingers crossed .... I'm sticking with it for sure, it'll come up trumps in the end as always :thumbs

So, as I say, I would greatly appreciate it if someone could indicate whether my results are "there or thereabouts".

TIA,
Jay

[orientalexpress]

Hi guys,
I've been running the JFP system for a very short amount of time (only since the 18th August) for my results to have any significance whatsoever, but I just want confirmation from someone that my results are not that far off everyone elses for the system during this time ...... at least it'll prove I'm using it correctly :)

My own results up to and including today are as follows:

Total qualifiers: 44 (would be 46 but I missed 2 along the way for various reasons, one of these missed horses won, the other lost)

Total starting bank: EUR667
% of bank wagered per bet: 3%
Current bank: EUR483.21
Current Strike Rate: 31.82%

Average % Overbet: 12.09%

The system appears to be going through a tough period at the moment but I've seen that it has to go through such cycles - it always comes out on top eventually so fingers crossed .... I'm sticking with it for sure, it'll come up trumps in the end as always :thumbs

So, as I say, I would greatly appreciate it if someone could indicate whether my results are "there or thereabouts".

TIA,
Jay

looks about right, but i can say im 27% down since 02/10/2007

[jayster]

Hi guys,
just wondering about the JFP selections for tomorrow: I make it that there are 3 valid qualifiers, Chelt 1:20, 2:30 and Newc 12:05. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could confirm this for me :)

TIA,
Jay

Also, many thanks for the reply to my previous post.

[scaaty]

Hi Jay,

2.30 doesn't qualify, check second last rule, but I have the other two. Also agree that your results so far look about right, I'm down a bit more than you are but I know I missed at least one decent priced winner.

[orientalexpress]

Hard times with the systems rfp jfp , nh quickfires excluding lays

[marky72]

wheres it all going wrong the jfp was over £300 in profit at one point for me now its about £15

[Win2Win]

If you think that your bank should only go up and not down, don't bother betting. You have access to the full list of results, have a look at the dips in the past.

I've been reviewing a product the last 4 months. Started with a bank of £200. Got to £1100......then broke the bank. Started again (had a Bank Barrier in place so only lost 50% of the max bank so still profited on the first attempt), now the bank is £1800.

[marky72]

Im Not Having A Go Keith Im Just Saying How One Minute Its Flying The Next You Hit A Wall

[Win2Win]

That's how it goes......Gambling makes Northern Rock look a safe investment :)

When you get a big dip it is either following a rise that went way too fast, or like a volcano, it is building up the pressure for a large upwards movement. (You always hope it's the latter)

[marky72]

a good couple of days on the jfp system hope the run continues

[juwelkeeper]

Hi guys
Just got JFP and RFP i subscribed to the auto system as well ,my question is do the irish courses qualify as i am sure i had 2 qualifiers but these were not on the auto sys regards Edd.

[marky72]

no irish doesnt qualify

[juwelkeeper]

Thanks marky

[Win2Win]

no irish doesnt qualify

That's how I like customer service, right info, and straight to the point :thumbs

You can paper trade Irish racing, but I have no data to test it on myself.

[CharlesBarkley]

Been following Running for profit; My bank has hit an all time low, £130 I'll give it a year as it is a long term strategy. NH system has not been working for me lately either

[orientalexpress]

Been following Running for profit; My bank has hit an all time low, £130 I'll give it a year as it is a long term strategy. NH system has not been working for me lately either

are you using bank barriers ? I was up by 47% ending march but it went down to something 32% end of April now its at 29.30% But thats with 4 systems
JFP, NHPM, RFP, FLE

still better than natwest :laugh for now.............

[barrelmaniac]

yes that fits in with mine too.

jfp rfp are both large % down, my bank barrier kicked in with the jfp.

My own system is still in profit with a strike rate of 35%.


Still hanging in there but with a reduced bank of jfp,unchanged rfp and an incresed bank on my own system that i have shifed from the jfp.

[marky72]

what % of your bank did u start using your bank barriers at

[barrelmaniac]

what % of your bank did u start using your bank barriers at


It was about 25-30%

i i started with a gambling bank of 500 each on rfp and jfp, and 300 on my own system, now i have moved money from jfp to my own to leave jrp with only 100 in the bank. without checking my notes i cant tell you the exact figures now as im in bed (working nightshift so getting some sleep in a bit before i start)

I am still a bit confident though- not sure if i made the right decision though transferring funds over to my own system- or perhaps i was a bit hasty:doh

[CharlesBarkley]

Another day, another loser on the flat. Things can only get better.

[CharlesBarkley]

RFP, Wahey two more losers, bank well down now, using £2 stakes. Should I persevere with it? Top up my bank?

[Linfield]

I've stopped using real money and just paper trading now till things turn for the better.
Assuming that they will.

Tony

[marky72]

i know what u guys mean but at one point my bank was £400 in profit and im confident it will be again

[barrelmaniac]

Are there any past results for Odds on heavy, Mc coy, Murphy and stoute 80+ systems?

[Win2Win]

Probably not if they are not on the site, unless someone else has some data.

[jonahjones]

Started doing these again yesterday. I will try and update my results every day wherever possible.

As I have gone through two hard-drives since I last did these, can anyone supply/recommend a decent spreadsheet for recording results please?

Many thanks in anticipation.

[Win2Win]

I think most folk have made a good bundle from the lay systems this year.

[jonahjones]

I think a special mention has to go to the "First Timer" system as today it produced a winner on which I was matched at 9.6 but which I saw go as high as 11.5 before the off. :)

[Laf]

System Banker isn't performing too badly either. Had a nice 9/1 winner on Tuesday. My bank has more than doubled since the start of November. I'm using a 3% staking plan instead of the software though as I often can't get to a pc during racing.

[Win2Win]

System Banker isn't performing too badly either. Had a nice 9/1 winner on Tuesday. My bank has more than doubled since the start of November. I'm using a 3% staking plan instead of the software though as I often can't get to a pc during racing.
Between using the software, and a straight 3% starting with £200 from the first bet (Nearly 2 years), it would now be closing in on £20,000, however I have added funds to the bank over that time, so it is a few quid more. :wink

[Laf]

Keith, I noticed on the results page for the W2W lays you have Three Thieves and Formidable Guest listed. Were these not System Banker selections yesterday?

[Win2Win]

Keith, I noticed on the results page for the W2W lays you have Three Thieves and Formidable Guest listed. Were these not System Banker selections yesterday?
I had a bit of a hiccup with the database, need to look into it today, but they were actually lays :splapme....the problem actually meant folk missed a W2W Lay winner :rolleyes:, so lucky for some, and not others, although the System Bankers have been going so well, 2 cockups make little difference long term.

[jonahjones]

I started doing these again on the 25th November and I am finally inputting my information into a spreadsheet.

However, I am missing some information for the 3rd and 7th December. On the 3rd, I have backs of Complete Frontline and Wine n Dine and a lay of Balerno and on the 7th I have lays of Piccolo Diamante and Upstairs and a back of Cabernet Sauvignon. I obviously know how I did with these selections through my statement but could anyone please tell me which system they qualified under?

It could be any as I do RFP, JFP, NHPM, Lay'em and both Quickfires.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in anticipation.

[jonahjones]

I started doing these again on the 25th November and I am finally inputting my information into a spreadsheet.

However, I am missing some information for the 3rd and 7th December. On the 3rd, I have backs of Complete Frontline and Wine n Dine and a lay of Balerno and on the 7th I have lays of Piccolo Diamante and Upstairs and a back of Cabernet Sauvignon. I obviously know how I did with these selections through my statement but could anyone please tell me which system they qualified under?

It could be any as I do RFP, JFP, NHPM, Lay'em and both Quickfires.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in anticipation.

If anyone is in a position to do this, I am also missing Bite The Boss, Step It Up, Highland River, Global and Maid of Ailsa from the 10th December and, from the 12th December, Jane Of Arc x 2, Honest John, Garde Champetre, Summer Rose, Vanadium, Megalo Maniac and Smalljohn.

Many thanks once again.

[Laf]

I don't do RFP or the Quickfires and I missed the 7th but I do have the following.........

3rd
Balerno - Lay'em

10th
Highland River, Step It Up, Global - Lay'em

12th
Jane Of Arc, Honest John - JFP
Garde Champetre - NHPM
Summer Rose, Vanadium, Megalo Maniac - Lay'em

[jonahjones]

I don't do RFP or the Quickfires and I missed the 7th but I do have the following.........

3rd
Balerno - Lay'em

10th
Highland River, Step It Up, Global - Lay'em

12th
Jane Of Arc, Honest John - JFP
Garde Champetre - NHPM
Summer Rose, Vanadium, Megalo Maniac - Lay'em

Many thanks Laf, much appreciated.

[marky72]

how come auto-sys didnt update yesterday

[mathare]

how come auto-sys didnt update yesterdayThe e-mail pixies didn't deliver the news till around 8pm last night

[jonahjones]

After days and hours of trawling through endless scraps of paper, I have now managed to collate all of the requisite data and put it into a spreadsheet. :)

All systems started 25.11.08 save for W2W Lays which started 17.12.08:-

Jumping For Profit

36 qualifiers - 10 winners - SR 27.78%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £147.11


NHPM

51 qualifiers - 7 winners - SR 86.27%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £205.14


Running For Profit

17 qualifiers - 6 winners - SR 35.29%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £219.14


Lay'em

76 qualifiers - 8 winners - SR 89.47%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £215.02


Claiming Jockey

5 qualifiers - 1 winner - SR 20%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £183.98


First Timer

19 qualifiers - 4 winners - SR 21%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £193.67


Nine or Less

7 qualifiers - 2 winners - SR 28.57%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £189.50


Trainer 3

26 qualifiers - 12 winners - SR 46.15%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £286.87


Ladies Lay

35 qualifiers - 5 winners - SR 85.71%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £202.00


6+Loser

10 qualifiers - 1 winner - SR 10%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £153.35


Mark Johnston

2 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £196.00


Michael Stoute

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00


LTO3

13 qualifiers - 5 winners - SR 38.46%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £221.18


CD Lay

19 qualifiers - 1 winner - SR 94.7%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £216.70


W2W Lays

72 qualifiers - 5 winners - SR 93.10%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £265.80

[Win2Win]

Flat Quickfire will be given a makeover in the next few weeks. Don't t tell Mat though :peeky

[jonahjones]

Results for 02.01.09:-

Jumping For Profit

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £147.11


NHPM

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £205.13


Running For Profit

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £213.14


Lay'em

3 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £220.72


Claiming Jockey

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £183.98


First Timer

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £193.67


Nine or Less

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £183.50


Trainer 3

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £286.87


Ladies Lay

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £202.00


6+Loser

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £153.35


Mark Johnston

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £196.00


Michael Stoute

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00


LTO3

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £215.18


CD Lay

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £216.70


W2W Lays

3 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £271.50

[jonahjones]

Results for 03.01.09:-

Running For Profit

2 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £216.73


Lay'em

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £222.62


LTO3

3 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £197.18


CD Lay

2 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £211.50


W2W Lays

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £273.88

No qualifiers for other systems.

[jonahjones]

Results for 04.01.09:-

No qualifiers for any systems.


Results for 05.01.09:-

LTO3

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £191.18

No qualifiers for any other systems.

[jonahjones]

Results for 06.01.09:-

Lay'em

1 qualifier - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £208.62


No qualifiers for any other systems.

[jonahjones]

Results for 07.01.09:-

Lay'em

7 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £208.32


W2W Lays

2 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £253.47

No qualifiers for any other systems.

[jasonpariah]

Between using the software, and a straight 3% starting with £200 from the first bet (Nearly 2 years), it would now be closing in on £20,000, however I have added funds to the bank over that time, so it is a few quid more. :wink

Just wondering why "only" the 20K BR at the two year mark.The excel sheet shows a lot more after two years on a 3% staking plan,I take it you were not getting the 10% overbet(if this is the case it shows the difference,that overbet can make).If you were not getting the overbet is this due to backing the runners close to the off,or due to using a bookie?

Also how many selections does this system produce on average a month?

What time of day on average are the selections available on the site?

Wil you consider an ebook on the selection process(similar to your other ebooks),at some time in the future?

Sorry for all the questions but,I am seriously considering adding this system to my portfolio.Which is part of the reason I ask about a possible ebook in the future.

[Win2Win]

Just wondering why "only" the 20K BR at the two year mark.The excel sheet shows a lot more after two years on a 3% staking plan,I take it you were not getting the 10% overbet(if this is the case it shows the difference,that overbet can make).If you were not getting the overbet is this due to backing the runners close to the off,or due to using a bookie?
I've actually followed it on & off due to other committments/projects, and I did say I'd may more :rolleyes: ....it actually finished 2008 for me with a very good sprint. :thumbs


Also how many selections does this system produce on average a month?
About 120+ a month


What time of day on average are the selections available on the site?
Midday


Wil you consider an ebook on the selection process(similar to your other ebooks),at some time in the future?
Not possible as some of the data isn't available to the general public.


Sorry for all the questions but,I am seriously considering adding this system to my portfolio.Which is part of the reason I ask about a possible ebook in the future.
You'd be silly if you didn't :wink

[jasonpariah]

Not possible as some of the data isn't available to the general public.


You'd be silly if you didn't :wink

First point is a shame(from my point),but understandable then.

Second point I was thinking myself after what Ive read and experienced here.I am currently running your NH Quickfire systems and must say I am very impressed with thier performance.

Just one more question if I may though.As I will be working with a 3% staking plan,would it be advisable with a small bank(£1000),to still use the bookie,or use Betfair for the extra value(as the initial stakes are over the Betfair min stake)?Only asking as this was pointed out as an issue if using the software,as its stakes were under the Betfair minimum bet.

[Street cry]

take whichever price is best trust me when i say early bookie prices that are bigger than betfair in the mroning make ahuuuuuuuge difference to your overall profits especially now that betunfair want 20% of your weekly profits

[jasonpariah]

take whichever price is best trust me when i say early bookie prices that are bigger than betfair in the mroning make ahuuuuuuuge difference to your overall profits especially now that betunfair want 20% of your weekly profits


Thanks for the reply Street.So looking at this 20% issue at Betfair(is there a link to more info on this),it would pay to use my bookie account regardless of stake?

[Win2Win]

Have a look on www.oddschecker.com (http://www.oddschecker.com) and compare the prices through the day. It does mean having a few accounts, but by watching it you'll get a feel which bookies give the best on average....which won't be the Big 3 :)

[Street cry]

generally taking early bookies prices is not ideal, only do it if the odds at the bookies are bigger than betfair obviously calculate comission in to the mix. Remember though that you will only pay the betfair supertax on aprofitable week and if you have been profitable over the previous 60 weeks as a rolling figure. It is also offset against comission paid so as straight punter you may escape it. alternatively use betdaq when i use to bet i use to do it all on the daq and comission is lower and you have no premium charge.

[jasonpariah]

Thanks for the replys.

I am going to go and start my subscription to this and give it a go:happyboun

[mathare]

I use Betdaq and compare their prices to Oddschecker, factoring in commission. Make sure you have accounts with the bookies offering best price guarantees (Bet365, Stan James, Boyle Sports, Will Hill and some others). With them you can take an early price and get paid out at SP if it is bigger than the price you took.

To factor in your commission the Betdaq odds you're getting must be at least equal to:

([Bookies price] / [1 - commission]) + 1

So if the bookies are offering 4/1 and you pay 4.5% commission then the price on the exchanges has to be at least:

([4/1] / [1 - 0.05]) + 1 = (4 / 0.95) + 1 = 5.21...

You see it's not as simple as just getting at least 5.0 (4/1) on the exchanges due to the commission factor.

[jasonpariah]

I use Betdaq and compare their prices to Oddschecker, factoring in commission. Make sure you have accounts with the bookies offering best price guarantees (Bet365, Stan James, Boyle Sports, Will Hill and some others). With them you can take an early price and get paid out at SP if it is bigger than the price you took.

To factor in your commission the Betdaq odds you're getting must be at least equal to:

([Bookies price] / [1 - commission]) + 1

So if the bookies are offering 4/1 and you pay 4.5% commission then the price on the exchanges has to be at least:

([4/1] / [1 - 0.05]) + 1 = (4 / 0.95) + 1 = 5.21...

You see it's not as simple as just getting at least 5.0 (4/1) on the exchanges due to the commission factor.


I will keep this in mind,thanks for going through the maths for me this will also help me greatly.

[Win2Win]

Over 50,000 views of this thread :yikes: