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vegyjones

7th May 2006, 16:33

Iron Chris

7th May 2006, 16:35

After I started both LAY Systems they hit a sticky patch and I had both systems showing a loss, I reduced the stakes and Layed below £2 on betfair. Was just wondering if other people would have done the same or left it at the £2 minimum. The system rules only say that if your are unlucky enough to start with winners you are stuck with the £2 minimum, but as we know you can get round it..:)

tophatter

7th May 2006, 16:37

Iron Chris

7th May 2006, 16:37

Chris, I haven't thanked you yet for Wayne Corden

What a player..
Made a real differnce in the closing weeks of the season.
Esecially yesterday when he had a great game, setting up the first goal
and causing the Oxfoird defence all sorts of problems!

I hope that we sign him permanently!

SO a big Thanks to Scunthorpe for letting us have him! :hearty :D

And sorry for polluting your thread with off topic stuff! :laugh

That was certainly off-topic quickly..:anger :wink ...he seems to be one of those players who everybody rates but made a move (to us) that just hasn't worked out, so I would guess that he will be on his way in the summer, especially if we go for another left sided player and Beagrie stays for another year.

vegyjones

7th May 2006, 16:38

I hope Beagrie carries on, he's a terrible bore on Sky Soccer Saturday! :D

tophatter

7th May 2006, 16:39

Nice little win today on the Flat win system at 3/1 following yesterdays winner. That bank now in profit along with the NH lays and NH Backs. Just the flat layem system in the red for me.

Iron Chris

7th May 2006, 16:41

Depends on how much your initial starting bank means to you. Having said that any bank you start you should write off as money and be prepared to lose it, if not you are staking too high so I would tend to use the starting stake as the min stake.

Thanks TH, didn't really think about it until I saw the comment about it in the staking rules earlier today, I had previously just reduced the stakes to the 1% with a little bit of rounding. I started both Lay Systems with a £200 bank, the NH System has now recovered to show a small profit, but the Flat System has gone from a 10% increase in the first few days to show a small loss so far, but the minimum stake is in the £1.90's again so I suppose it is easier to round up to £2.00 thus guaranteeing your Betfair Points as well.

wiseman33

7th May 2006, 18:41

Do you leave orders iron chris or are you able to put them on before the off,i left orders yesterday before work and got 7 matched but ended up with 3 winning the races so wasnt a great day for my bank lol.my cut off is 10.0 :wiggle:

Iron Chris

7th May 2006, 21:19

Hi wiseman, I tend to place a lot of my bets during dinner at work which has resulted in both over and under laying so far, though I tend to leave the evening ones until later in the afternoon. I am quite fortunate in that I can have betfair on in the background at work without a great deal of hassle (I even get asked what I am betting on now sometimes..:D ) so can keep a track of things. I don't tend to leave them until 10-15 mins before the off purely in case I get into something at work or we have a client on the office when I would be needing to place the bets.

I am using a similar cut-off as well wiseman so I am a bit confused about yesterday as I layed 7 as well (4 Flat & 3 NH) and only had one flat winner..:doh .. so I don't know what we did different there, I had 2 Flat & 1 NH selections that were over the limit.

I actually left an order last night for the only one that was under the cut-off for today which was taken this morning and was a nice under lay, but that was just luck I guess..:)

Good luck for the coming week.

jonahjones

7th May 2006, 21:36

Flat Win System - Day 6

Sunday's starting bank £201.81

1 selection:-

Scuzme - £6.05 matched at 3.80 (SP 4.00) - Won.

9 selections since 30.04.06 - 4 winners.

New bank after commission £217.90. :)

jonahjones

7th May 2006, 21:42

Flat Lay'em System - Day 2

Sunday's starting bank £188.62.

1 selection matched:-

Calamari - £2.00 matched at 6.60 (SP 6.00) - 8th. :)

6 selections since 06.05.06 - 2 winners.

New bank after commission £190.52.

davidsteel

8th May 2006, 07:06

For those doing the lay systems i make the following today:

8 flat lays and 3 NHlays , i use the RP website to pick my selections..

jonahjones

8th May 2006, 08:05

For those doing the lay systems i make the following today:

8 flat lays and 3 NHlays , i use the RP website to pick my selections..

I make it 8 flat lays using the Racing Post as well David. :)

Iron Chris

8th May 2006, 08:28

I agree with both..:D

scaaty

8th May 2006, 10:52

FLAT WIN

I make it 1 at Windsor, 1 at Wolverhampton today

jonahjones

8th May 2006, 10:54

FLAT WIN

I make it 1 at Windsor, 1 at Wolverhampton today

Likewise Scaaty. :)

ray7

8th May 2006, 11:16

Windsor now a non-runner

wiseman33

8th May 2006, 11:48

I make it 8 flat lays using the Racing Post as well David. :)

i have the same today, what happens if the ground cahanges to say soft would the lays be void

peza2605

8th May 2006, 16:35

4.30 wolverhampton :wiggle: :wiggle: :wiggle: nice one:D :D

jonahjones

8th May 2006, 16:53

4.30 wolverhampton :wiggle: :wiggle: :wiggle: nice one:D :D

Would have been even nicer Pez if my Flat Back System bank was in Betfair instead of Betdaq. I managed to get partially matched at 3.50 on Betdaq which would have been swallowed up on Betfair.

The next time I looked it was trading at 2.86 and so I took that, making average odds of 2.98.

Still beat SP of 2.2. :)

peza2605

8th May 2006, 17:11

it was 2.78 when i went to bed so i left order for 3 which was taken, had to get up early though to check, watched the race too which soon woke me up.

dutch16

8th May 2006, 17:40

eddie here. i know that this is not the place to ask, but can you pass a message to win2 win for me i have sent 9 emails and got no reply mabye i am doing something wrong i dont know so if you can please ask then to email me at eddiereid@eircom.net . i would be very greatfull to you. thank you very much. eddie

Win2Win

8th May 2006, 20:47

I have emailed you, but you keep using different addresses sent from and to. :doh

If you are trying to register for the forum members area, you need to follow the instructions on the Members Update Page.

Iron Chris

8th May 2006, 21:58

A good day today from the Lays that remained. Two N/R's on the NH System but the remaining lay lost so a small increase in the bank again. Three of the eight Flat Lays ended up over my cut-off but the other five all lost taking the bank back to break even again, so things are back on track hopefully..:)

For tomorrow I make it as follows :

Flat Lay System = 7 (Two are on the price cut-off marks though and not sure if they are included or if it is strictly 'between' the prices & not including them?)

NH Lay System = 2

Jonny2621

8th May 2006, 22:11

I have taken it as on or between the price forecast Chris

Good day today, bank now up 15.12%

laying to 1% fixed stake revised daily

36 lays - 3 winners so far

getting a bit quicker reading the cards too

wiseman33

8th May 2006, 22:40

Iron Chris

8th May 2006, 22:44

I would guess that if it changes outside of the rules then the lays would have to be void as I have ignored cards where the forecast ground is outside the rules. Must admit though I haven't been checking for going changes but with the weather changing this week it might be worth looking at.

jonahjones

8th May 2006, 23:01

Flat Win System - Day 6 - 08.05.06

Monday's starting bank £217.90

1 selection:-

King's Revenge - £6.54 matched at average odds of 2.98 (SP 2.20) - Won.

10 selections since 30.04.06 - 5 winners - 50% SR.

New bank after commission £230.22. :)

jonahjones

8th May 2006, 23:17

Flat Lay'em System - Day 3 - 08.05.06

Monday's starting bank £190.52.

5 selections matched:-

Drink To Me Only - £2.00 matched at 7.60 (SP 5.5) - 6th. :)

Piccolo Prince - £2.00 matched at 7.20 (SP 8.0) - 9th. :)

Nautical - £2.00 matched at 9.20 (SP 8.5) - 2nd. :)

Stellite - £2.00 matched at 5.0 (SP 5.0) - 3rd. :)

Jubilee Street - £2.00 matched at 9.40 (SP 9.0) - 4th. :)

Missed the 2 in the 5.00 at Wolves but may not have been matched in any event with SP's of 10.0 and 13.0.

11 selections since 06.05.06 - 2 winners - SR 81.82%.

New bank after commission £200.02. :)

davidsteel

9th May 2006, 07:10

Flat Lays 9/05/06

3.10
3.40 X2
4.10
4.40
7.10X2

NHLays
2.20 not sure this qualfies will check with Keith..
3.50
8.25

Win2Win

9th May 2006, 08:04

Don't check with me, no time today, packing, two BT engineers due for differnet jobs....etc....ask Mat :)

Iron Chris

9th May 2006, 08:36

Flat Lays 9/05/06

3.10
3.40 X2
4.10
4.40
7.10X2

NHLays
2.20 not sure this qualfies will check with Keith..
3.50
8.25

Agree with all but the 2.20, too few days since last run..:)

jonahjones

9th May 2006, 13:02

Flat Lays 9/05/06

3.10
3.40 X2
4.10
4.40
7.10X2

Same here for the flats David.

mathare

9th May 2006, 13:30

Slife has nothing at Chepstow due to the going. No qualifiers at Catterick either as it happens.

1 each in the 3.50 and 8.25 for the NHPM though

scaaty

9th May 2006, 14:02

I've got two selections for the Flat Win system today - anyone differ ?

wiseman33

9th May 2006, 15:32

Agree with all but the 2.20, too few days since last run..:)

have to agree with chris no lay in 2.20:wiggle:

Jonny2621

9th May 2006, 15:47

Marvelllous !!! Going changes at Chepstow two in a row win on the flat lay em, in one day all my profit to date, 36+ lays, gone, skiboomed :censored: ;fire :(

Just sums up my luck

wiseman33

9th May 2006, 15:52

Guess what i went out and forgot to put first 2 on thats unusual for me i am normally the unluckiest b :censored: d in the world.If the ground changes overnight outside the guidelines i am not laying them.surely the change in ground makes them void :wiggle:

Jonny2621

9th May 2006, 16:03

tophatter

9th May 2006, 16:08

I layed them too johnny.

Look on the bright side it is a new bank and so it will be at a lower level as regard stakes. Better to hit that now than later on. It will set you back a couple of weeks, you have this system to run as long as you want now.

Jonny2621

9th May 2006, 16:11

Ive backed back the other two i layed at Chep now, they'll probably lose but bank is now back to start, not risking it any more today.

wiseman33

9th May 2006, 16:11

The change does, but only if you know about it before placing the lays and going to work :(

Oh didnt realise i see what you mean its difficult when you have to leave orders :wiggle:

Jonny2621

9th May 2006, 16:13

Glad i did, it won as well :D

wiseman33

9th May 2006, 16:14

Oh oh the next one just came in B :censored:k s ::swear ::swear

Iron Chris

9th May 2006, 16:18

::swear :censored: ::swear :censored: ::swear :censored: ::swear :censored:

Not the best day so far then...;fire ;fire ;fire

Iron Chris

9th May 2006, 16:43

I do believe that is number 4...:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :( :( :( :(

tophatter

9th May 2006, 16:48

I did what Johnny did and backed them back after the 1st two when I realised the going had changed to soft. Sometimes you cant help but leave them if you have put them on and gone out before the going has changed, but if possible I would void them as a change in going is a bit of a problem especially if it is one of the variables in the system

Iron Chris

9th May 2006, 21:41

Well, what a day that was..:yikes: .. not one I would want to repeat at regular intervals..:(

What can I/we learn from it though...:doh ... I personally don't think that the change in the going had any great outcome on todays results, though it did give us a possible get out clause with the system, as I had managed to under lay all the winners at dinner and if I had seen the going change earlier or if it had been flagged up I could have got out of every one no problem and I don't think any of them were backed in before the off indicating a great liking for the ground. I think it was more just one of those days that we can hopefully put behind us and move on from...:)

I will be checking the going tomorrow for sure but am still not convinced about today.

For the record, I make tomorrows - for all those who haven't slashed their wrists..:wink

Flat Lay System = 6

NH Lay System = 1

Any other thoughts on the day appreciated.

mathare

9th May 2006, 21:48

Any other thoughts on the day appreciated.Maybe not one you wanted to hear, but there were no Lay'ems using Sporting Life as it gave the going as soft, different to the RP's going.

Now on a different day this could well be reversed and it could be me in the mire. But checking the Slife going and going to half stakes if it disagrees could be a potentially good idea. I dunno. But the key point is consistency. If you choose a way forward, stick with it until you can prove that it really isn't working.

tophatter

9th May 2006, 21:54

ground change is a funny thing Chris. Yeah, I agree that it might have had absolutley no bearing on the horse winning or not but it may have ruled out one or two others making a better challenge. If you get a chance when you see the going has changed back them back because the ground is one of the variables and is best to get as close to that as possible to replicate previous years stats. The second one was the most painful as it was the highest priced lay but you will get days when those longer ones win no matter what the ground. In the l,ong run I doubt it would make that much difference if you cant back them back so dont worry too much if you cant.

Iron Chris

9th May 2006, 21:56

Pleased you missed them then Mat..:D .. and you even put a hint up earlier I see about the going on SL..:(

Checking the going on both sites but sticking to one for the selections does seem like a good idea and if there is any doubt make sure of the going on the day before placing any bets..:)

tophatter

9th May 2006, 22:00

That sounds a good plan to me Chris. Every day you will learn something new in the early days and experience different emotions. it will be sharp emotions initially which should lessen as you get into the routine.

Iron Chris

9th May 2006, 22:02

Yes TH, I agree that one or two challengers were maybe put back by the change in going. I certainly wasn't expecting 4 in a row to go in though. I could maybe have got out of 1 possibly two but decided to let them be (one was about to go off anyway). Got one back in the evening and the NH Lay lost as well so started on the road back..:)

9th May 2006, 22:03

Where is the best place to check the latest going. A site that updates regular?

jonahjones

9th May 2006, 22:34

Flat Win System - Day 7 - 09.05.06

Tuesday's starting bank £230.22

2 selections:-

Berties Brother - £6.91 matched at 4.93 (SP 5.50) - 11th.

Josr's Magic - £6.91 matched at 2.81 (SP 4.0) - 4th.

12 selections since 30.04.06 - 5 winners - 41.67% SR.

New bank after commission £216.40. :)

jonahjones

9th May 2006, 22:47

Flat Lay'em System - Day 4 - 09.05.06

Tuesday's starting bank £200.02.

4 selections matched:-

George The Second - £2.00 matched at 5.3 (SP 6.0) - Won. :(

Indian Edge - £2.00 matched at 8.40 (SP 7.5) - Won. :(

Bin Rahy - £2.00 matched at 4.7 (SP 4.5) - Won. :(

Up Tempo - £2.00 matched at 4.8 (SP 5.0) - Won. :(

Managed to miss the race which contained the only qualifier that lost. ;fire

15 selections since 06.05.06 - 6 winners - SR 60%.

New bank after commission £161.62. Annihilation. Almost a fifth of the bank gone in one day. :(

davidsteel

9th May 2006, 23:09

jonahjones

9th May 2006, 23:25

Yes you can safely say what a nightmare:anger

A 1011.50-1 accumalator if my maths is up to scratch. :yikes:

Jonny2621

10th May 2006, 08:42

Sorry to see you had a mare Jonah, it was a bad laying day all round yesterday.

I had 7 lays up, one was a NR, one way over the odds.

The first two won, which was when i found out about the change in going, i wasn't best pleased so decided to void the other two Chep lays, the latter for a v small loss.

I did the Catt one in the evening and it lost after drifting to 14s or so.

Bank overall is now up 3.13% after being 19.79% up. A bloody shame but not a disaster. At least I can see that the filters of the system are there for a reason ! I will try and lay these later in the day and check the going if I can. Having said that if i hadn't layed King Harson early it wouldn't have got taken so its swings and roundabouts and a little bit of luck all round i guess.

Stick with it Jonah, i had a good run on these before this, 3 winners from 36 lays so a decent run will get you back on track. Just keep looking at Keiths spread sheet about two years down the line and look at the bank total. Thats what I am doing !

cheers

Jon

Jonny2621

10th May 2006, 11:11

Onwards and upwards today :)

I have 5 flat lay ems today. Havent looked at odds ( or going !!!! ) yet.

I make them as follows from the RP.

410 2
735 2
835 1

Hopefully we can get back on track today :wink

jonahjones

10th May 2006, 12:38

Jonny2621

10th May 2006, 12:52

Re-checked

you are indeed correct Sir, i thank you, 2 in the 835

oi it better not win now ! :D

jonahjones

10th May 2006, 12:54

Re-checked

you are indeed correct Sir, i thank you, 2 in the 835

oi it better not win now ! :D

Ironically John, having just checked the prices, one of them is trading at 24.0 anyway but the other is well within our range. :)

mathare

10th May 2006, 13:35

Sporting Life has 2 each in the 4.10, 7.35 and 8.35 for the Lay'ems.

And 1 NHPM lay in the 7.20

Iron Chris

10th May 2006, 16:20

That's a better start to the day..:)

Jonny2621

10th May 2006, 22:50

5 lays, 1 winner today on the flat lay ems, despite R Hills being the jock :D , i overlayed a bit on the winner at 3.5 as it was a big gamble pre-race but i underlayed on two of the others so thats encouraging.

Bank up 1.31% today
Bank up 4.51% overall

On the comeback trail after the ground change debacle :)

Jammey

11th May 2006, 00:06

under the 8 day rule two horses do not qualify?
jammy

Jonny2621

11th May 2006, 09:11

From the RP I have 3 flat layems today Jammey

220
320
825

Anyone have different ?

Iron Chris

11th May 2006, 10:02

3:35 x2 ?

Jonny2621

11th May 2006, 11:24

Youre right Chris, I misread the distance of the race, thanks mate :)

jonahjones

11th May 2006, 12:41

Flat Win System - Day 8 - 10.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £216.40.

2 selections:-

Sicilian - £6.49 matched at 4.40 (SP 6.50) - 8th.

Monashee Brave - £6.49 matched at 4.6 (SP 3.25) - 3rd.

14 selections since 30.04.06 - 5 winners - 35.71% SR.

New bank after commission £203.42. :)

jonahjones

11th May 2006, 12:51

Flat Lay'em System - Day 5 - 10.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £161.62.

5 selections matched:-

Royal Composer - £2.00 matched at 5.44 (SP 6.50) - 2nd. :)

Neardown Beauty - £2.00 matched at 6.65 (SP 6.50) - 6th. :)

Pomfret Lad - £2.00 matched at 6.3 (SP 6.5) - 6th. :)

Paris Bell - £2.00 matched at 8.05 (SP 8.0) - 3rd. :)

Capistrano - £2.00 matched at 3.2 (SP 2.88) - Won. :(

20 selections since 06.05.06 - 7 winners - SR 65%.

New bank after commission £164.84.

mathare

11th May 2006, 12:56

For Sporting Life I make it:

Lay'ems
2.20 x 2
4.35
3.35
8.25 x 2

NHPM
8.10

Jammey

11th May 2006, 13:30

re,2.20 .a horse does not qualify? CHECK last time out (days)
jammey

mathare

11th May 2006, 13:33

Cheers Jammey - missed that. Still got 1 in that race though

wiseman33

11th May 2006, 14:39

Thurs 11th

Flat Lays Using RP

Ches
2.20
3.20

Yarm
3.35 x2

Ham
8.25

NH

Weth
8.10

Cheers wisey:wiggle:

Jonny2621

11th May 2006, 22:23

3 flat lay ems today - all lost :)

Bank up 2.96% today
Bank up 7.60% overall :)

jonahjones

11th May 2006, 22:31

Flat Win System - Day 9 - 11.05.06

Thursday's starting bank £203.42.

1 selection:-

Sunrise Safari - £6.10 matched at 2.15 (SP 1.91) - Won.

15 selections since 30.04.06 - 6 winners - 40.00% SR.

New bank after commission £210.09. :)

jonahjones

11th May 2006, 22:41

Flat Lay'em System - Day 6 - 11.05.06

Thursday's starting bank £164.84.

5 selections matched:-

Judd Street - £2.00 matched at 5.7 (SP 5.0) - 2nd. :)

Stoneacre Lad - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 9.5) - 11th. :)

Musicmaestroplease - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 10.0) - 9th. :)

Lisfannon - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 13.0) - 6th. :)

Compton Classic - £2.00 matched at 8.32 (SP 8.0) - 6th. :)

25 selections since 06.05.06 - 7 winners - SR 72%.

New bank after commission £174.35.

wiseman33

12th May 2006, 08:35

Fri 12th

Flat lay em

Ling
4.55

Nott
5.15 x2

NH

Win
6.30

Wisey

Iron Chris

12th May 2006, 09:47

Fri 12th

Flat lay em

Ling
4.55

Nott
5.15 x2

NH

Win
6.30

Wisey

:iagree:

Well done Jonah as well, I didn't get Music or Lisfannon yesterday - always seemed above the cut-off, even when I was watching before the off..:(

Jammey

12th May 2006, 12:57

i wonder does dist. not play a part?
jammey

Iron Chris

12th May 2006, 13:18

If you mean the 5:15 jammey..:doh .. it can be a bit off putting when betfair have it as 1M 2F but the racecards on RP & SL both have it as 1M 1F+yds which is strictly speaking below 1M 2F. Would be interested in other peoples take on this as well, especially having just layed them both..:rolleyes:

mathare

12th May 2006, 13:29

I make it:

Lay'ems
5.15 x 2
5.45
3.45
4.55 x 4!

NHPM
6.30

Go with RP or SL over Betfair on these Chris.

Iron Chris

12th May 2006, 13:34

Thanks Mat..:) .. I take it you are using SL for yours..Ooo

Nick777

12th May 2006, 13:35

FLAT WINS - I have 2 for today (12th). Anyone agree?

scaaty

12th May 2006, 13:37

FLAT WINS - I have 2 for today (12th). Anyone agree?

Yes, I make it two as well Nick :)

mathare

12th May 2006, 13:37

Thanks Mat..:) .. I take it you are using SL for yours..OooYeah, I massively dislike having to login to view the cards on RP and Slife shows the race distance alongside the race name so I only need bring up the cards for the races whose distance fits the system

Jammey

12th May 2006, 14:27

TO IRON CHRIS your right,cheers
jammey

Jammey

12th May 2006, 14:40

MATHARE what about wgt.4 in one race?
jammy

Iron Chris

12th May 2006, 15:11

No problem jammey, just pleased we are all helping each other to be consistent with the selections..:)

mathare

12th May 2006, 17:17

MATHARE what about wgt.4 in one race?
jammyWhat about what what in what eh? :doh

Jammey

13th May 2006, 00:37

madhare 4 horses ,did they all come under the weights as system rules say.only trying to be helful eh.
in the 4.55.
jammy

mathare

13th May 2006, 09:34

madhare 4 horses ,did they all come under the weights as system rules say.only trying to be helful eh.
in the 4.55.
jammyI'm not mad :doh :wink

Yeah, I eventually worked out what you were on about Jammy and checked the racecard (after the event!). All four met the rules. Thanks anyway though :)

Jammey

13th May 2006, 13:01

flat lays, ling/4.50x3
4.05.newm/x1
4.55.bev/x2
n.hunt lays 3.55.hex/x1
5.05.hex /x1
evening later meetings,after

scaaty

13th May 2006, 13:04

FLAT WIN

I make it just one qualifier today

jonahjones

13th May 2006, 13:13

FLAT WIN

I make it just one qualifier today

Agree with you there Scaaty. :)

Jammey

13th May 2006, 13:34

i am using d.mirror paper.
cheers
jammey

Jammey

13th May 2006, 18:29

3 good lays they came within the exchanges price.at todays meetings
6.45 thirskx2
8.00 warwickx2
using d.mirror
cheers
jammey

Iron Chris

13th May 2006, 20:28

Flat Lays 6 out of 6 matched today...:D

NH Lays 2 out of 2 today...:D

These are the days we want more often..:wink

tophatter

13th May 2006, 20:35

yeah its nice when it goes like that Chris. the NHPM bank is doing very nicely for me at the moment and the Layem bank is rising again. It is very much a longtermer though and we are talking years not weeks so there is going to be a lot of good, bad and boring days. Just stick at it and see where it takes you :)

Iron Chris

13th May 2006, 20:38

Yeah, as long as we don't any of those 4 out of 4 winners days for a long time again..:yikes: :)

tophatter

13th May 2006, 21:40

no you dont want too many of them but its entirley possible it will happen again as the horses are single figure SP's and four of them winning in a row is not as unlikely as you may think. It is all the thing about Strikerate again. On a high 80's percentage strike rate you can have more than 6 horses going your way in a row and maybe 20 or 30 or even 40 in a row! However you can also have more than one in 7 horses going against you in a short burst. It would be easier if basically you placed 7 bets and in every batch of 7 you took the hit once but the maths of strike rate dictates you can have big abnormal runs either to your advantage or disadvantage.

Marcus and Matt know the maths better than me, but take a coin. The probablility of it landing as heads is 50%. That is a 50% strike rate. Toss it say 10,000 times and you will be close to that strike rate. But split that 10,000 sample into batches of 100 and you will have 60% 40% maybe even higher or lower percentages than that.

Jammey

13th May 2006, 22:12

clean sweep today on flat sys.lays and w2w n.h. lays.THANKS KEITH for sharing.
bye,jammey

jonahjones

14th May 2006, 09:03

Haven't yet posted Friday's results.

Flat Win System - Day 10 - 12.05.06

Friday's starting bank £210.09.

2 selections:-

Devil's Island - £6.30 matched at 6.0 (SP 5.5) - 4th.

Alhaitham - £6.30 matched at 2.69 (SP 2.63) - 7th.

17 selections since 30.04.06 - 6 winners - 35.29% SR.

New bank after commission £197.49.

jonahjones

14th May 2006, 09:08

Flat Win System - Day 11 - 13.05.06

Saturday's starting bank £197.49.

1 selection:-

Incidentally - £5.93 matched at 5.50 (SP 3.75) - 2nd.

18 selections since 30.04.06 - 6 winners - 33.33% SR.

New bank after commission £191.56.

jonahjones

14th May 2006, 09:15

Friday's results first.

Flat Lay'em System - Day 7 - 12.05.06

Friday's starting bank £174.35.

2 selections matched:-

Tribe - £2.00 matched at 6.6 (SP 6.5) - 5th. :)

Edin Burgher - £2.00 matched at 6.6 (SP 4.5) - 7th. :)

27 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 7 winners - SR 74.07%

New bank after commission £178.15.

jonahjones

14th May 2006, 09:23

Flat Lay'em System - Day 8 - 13.05.06

Saturday's starting bank £178.15.

5 selections matched:-

Burning Incense - £2.00 matched at 5.0 (SP 6.0) - 2nd. :)

Pititana - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 9.0) - 5th. :)

Great View - £2.00 matched at 9.8 (SP 9.0) - 3rd. :)

Peace Lily - £2.00 matched at 7.0 (SP 6.5) - 2nd. :)

Golden Square - £2.00 matched at 8.6 (SP 7.5) - 4th. :)

32 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 7 winners - SR 78.13%

New bank after commission £187.67.

tophatter

14th May 2006, 17:46

Top day again on the NHPM eh lads?

Im flying on that and got a small profit on the backing system as well.

mathare

14th May 2006, 17:50

We must have had different selections in the backing system (assuming you mean Jumping for Profit) but the NHPM lays were excellent today

tophatter

14th May 2006, 17:54

I got 3 seletions in the jumping for Profit. It was Il Duce that won for me at a price of 3.5 on betfair making a small profit on the day.

mathare

14th May 2006, 17:54

Yep, not a selection I had today. Just had 2 from SL

wiseman33

14th May 2006, 18:16

I got 3 seletions in the jumping for Profit. It was Il Duce that won for me at a price of 3.5 on betfair making a small profit on the day.

Hi tophatter how many banks/systems do you actually run,i am just going into my eight to 9th this week.they are not all seperate accounts but split on paper and i am the most disorganised person you will ever meet.You know the type it takes me 3 goes to get out of the house coz i always forget something.Any helpful tips wouldnt go a miss on how to juggle these lol:wiggle:

sparkyminer

14th May 2006, 18:21

One hint for anyone who does them all at once. Do the bets by system, so that when you download the results to speadsheet they are in system order and you can then paste in blocks. Saves sorting them out.:)

tophatter

14th May 2006, 18:25

I have 16 banks at the minute Wiseman. All you need do is keep a record of how much you increase or decrease daily for every bank seperatley. You dont need 8 different betting accounts if you have 8 banks you just need to increase or decrease your stake on each bank individually depending on how its going and to to do that it is imperative to know how much each system is standing at come the end of the day.

It can seem a chore at times but it soon becomes second nature. If you dont do this and just lump them all in, it only takes one system to have a bad run (and at some stage they will all have bad runs) to drag the others down and you end up staking smaller on the others systems than you should do and that will cost you profit.

wiseman33

14th May 2006, 18:51

Thanks :wiggle:

Iron Chris

14th May 2006, 20:36

Top day again on the NHPM eh lads?

Was well pleased today TH. When I picked them out last night was a bit worried by a couple of the selections & had to get them matched quickly at dinner as well. Came home later and found they had all lost, so was very happy...:wiggle:

NH Lays are now showing more profit than the Flat Lays are losing so things are steadily improving again..:)

wiseman33

14th May 2006, 23:35

Hi tophatter can i ask what staking plan you use for the flat lays and NH profit.ie percentage of bank and is it fixed stake or liability and did you start these with a small bank as per normal hope you dont mind all the questions thanks wisey:wiggle:

tophatter

15th May 2006, 02:01

No worries Wiseman. I have started with a bigger bank than I normally do but a smaller risk liability than I usually use on those smaller banks. I am using £500 banks on the laying systems and £200 banks on the backing systems. Usually I only start laying systems with £200 and backing systems with £100.00. Im laying to a fixed stake with a 10 cut off at 0.3% a point (i.e. if bank was £1000 I would lay to £3 a point with a max risk of £27 if the horse won at my cut off) On the backs Im using 3% of my bank as my stake.

wiseman33

15th May 2006, 15:20

Thanks tophatter you certainly have a long term view i am trying to think like that myself now but the old habits die hard dont they lol:wiggle:

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:04

You can make those habits die wiseman. It takes time but you gradually reprogram your thinking. I cant imagine gambling now without having structured banks and staking.

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:05

quiet day today.

3 flat backs, one of which won and a loss of just under one point on those.

One NH lay, which lost, 10th day running my bank has shown an increase on those.

ray7

15th May 2006, 20:27

I only got 2 flat backs both at Windsor what did I miss TH.

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:32

I dont know if it is a case of missing one or if use another source for the cards Ray. The winner I had was ogee in the 7.30

ray7

15th May 2006, 20:33

I had Ogee and also Conservation in the 6.30 both useing RP

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:34

Ogee won mate!

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:34

I also had Hits only money

ray7

15th May 2006, 20:35

I know but you said you got 3 picks did I miss one?

ray7

15th May 2006, 20:36

Posted same time

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:36

Which I should not have had - now ive checked. I made a boo boo and backed it by accident.

ray7

15th May 2006, 20:38

Its only money was too old.

ray7

15th May 2006, 20:39

Posted together again TH.

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:41

I had it down in another system but read it wrong off the bit of paper. Its actually good because my stake is smaller on this system than the one I should have backed it on :)

Iron Chris

15th May 2006, 20:51

quiet day today.

3 flat backs, one of which won and a loss of just under one point on those.

One NH lay, which lost, 10th day running my bank has shown an increase on those.

My only NH Lay today was a N/R TH, were you using RP as well?

tophatter

15th May 2006, 20:56

yeah, I made it Lord Broadway in that same race

Iron Chris

15th May 2006, 20:59

yeah, I made it Lord Broadway in that same race

I think you sneaked one in there past the system mate...:wink ...where did it finish in its last race..:doh , pleased it lost for you though..:D

Iron Chris

15th May 2006, 21:30

Just looked for tomorrow as well and just one Flat and no NH selections, strange two days with 5 meetings but next to no qualifiers.

tophatter

15th May 2006, 21:44

I must admit I did things in a rush today Chris. Did not go to bed till 4.00 am and I did it in a rush. I must get into the habit of doing it the night before.

jonahjones

15th May 2006, 23:52

Flat Win System - 14.05.06

No flat racing.

Flat Win System - 15.05.06

Monday's starting bank £191.56.

2 selections:-

Conservation - £5.75 matched at 3.40 (SP 3.13) - 2nd.

Ogee - £5.75 matched at 2.34 (SP 2.1) - Won.

20 selections since 30.04.06 - 7 winners - 35% SR.

New bank after commission £193.13.

jonahjones

15th May 2006, 23:55

Flat Lay'em System - 14.05.06

No flat racing.

Flat Lay'em System - 15.05.06

No qualifiers.

32 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 7 winners - SR 78.13%.

Current bank - £187.67.

wiseman33

16th May 2006, 19:53

:wiggle:

Street cry

16th May 2006, 20:29

Hi guys are these systems any good so far i know its early days , and are they still available for purchase , seing as the only thing i can profit from on here is the golden lay then figured might as well try these if they are still available SC

ray7

16th May 2006, 20:33

Still in Keiths sig line but not up on ebay at the moment prob due to him being on holiday. Each one comes with years of stats that you can check before buying.

Iron Chris

16th May 2006, 20:35

Hi SC, when I got both systmes I trialed them for a couple of weeks to make sure of selections etc and they both stood up to the figures well. Sods law then came in when I started them live and the NH System went into loss but has now recovered to be 13% up so far..:) The Flat System set off like a train and was well in profit, took a couple of hits but then derailed when we hit 4 winners out of 4 in one day when the going changed outisde the rules after many lays were placed..:( ..since then it has recovered to nearly even again so without that day when some backed the lays back again (i couldn't unfortunately) the system would be on profit as well..:)

As you say though, it is early days in a long term adventure, but the early signs are good and the systems are easy to use once you have had a few goes and you can normally check on here as well..:)

jonahjones

16th May 2006, 22:58

Flat Win System - 16.05.06

Tuesday's starting bank £193.13.

2 selections:-

Yellow Card - £5.79 matched at 3.25 (SP 3.75) - 2nd.

Grand Opera - £5.79 matched at 4.42 (SP 4.0) - 3rd.

22 selections since 30.04.06 - 7 winners - 31.82% SR.

New bank after commission £181.55.

jonahjones

16th May 2006, 23:03

Flat Lay'em System - 16.05.06

Tuesday's starting bank £187.67.

1 selection matched:-

Seneschal - £2.00 matched at 7.4 (SP 5.0) - 5th. :)

33 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 7 winners - SR 78.79%

New bank after commission £189.57.

tophatter

17th May 2006, 21:08

Mixed day for me. Two winners from two on the flat layem system but both relativley short so a pain but I have had worse.

Two losers from two on the NHPM which carries on going strength to strength. 11th consevutive winning day on that for me.

One winner from one selection on each of the backing banks, so happy with that.

Iron Chris

17th May 2006, 22:06

Only had one selection on the Flat System, which won...:(

Both selections on the NH System lost...:)

Jonny2621

17th May 2006, 22:13

Only had 1 selection on the flat lay 'ems, I chickened out with all the non-runners, think the reduction was 25%+. I never lay with more than 25% NR on the methods, falsies etc so i backed this one back the same way.

Ada

18th May 2006, 00:19

Flat Win System - 16.05.06

Grand Opera - £5.79 matched at 4.42 (SP 4.0) - 3rd.

How did Grand Opera qualify for the Flat Win system on Tuesday Jonah?

BTW...Made it one qualifier (Flat Win) on Wednesday 17th...... 7.10 Bath: PHINERINE ... Winner @ 4/1.

Ada.

scaaty

18th May 2006, 00:41

How did Grand Opera qualify for the Flat Win system on Tuesday Jonah?

BTW...Made it one qualifier (Flat Win) on Wednesday 17th...... 7.10 Bath: PHINERINE ... Winner @ 4/1.

Ada.

I had Grand Opera as a qualifier on Tuesday too Ada, met all the criteria according to RP - at least I think it did! Maybe different if you're using SL ?

Also had Phinerine today and I make it one qualifier for Thursday :)

Ada

18th May 2006, 00:59

Scaaty,

I use RP as well,

With Grand Opera, surely the RP Forecast Odds + more (paper version) stopped it qualifying...(5/1 - 3rd Fav)

Ada.

scaaty

18th May 2006, 01:12

Scaaty,

I use RP as well,

With Grand Opera, surely the RP Forecast Odds + more (paper version) stopped it qualifying...(5/1 - 3rd Fav)

Ada.

Hi Ada,
I didn't keep a note of what the forecast odds were, but unless I misread something I'm pretty sure it met all the criteria on the RP site which is what I used. Seems strange that it would be different in the paper version though ? I'm assuming that Jonah uses the RP site too as he had it qualifying ... maybe he can shed more light when he's around :doh

ray7

18th May 2006, 01:19

Can`t remember the odds but online it was fav and qualified.

Win2Win

18th May 2006, 03:33

The RP site & paper can differ.

Jonny2621

18th May 2006, 12:12

Flat Lay ems Today from RP:

York 145 - had two but cancelled as going has changed

Carl 730 - 1 selection

Anyone differ ?

Win2Win

18th May 2006, 12:16

Is the weather that bad? Can't see from here, the 90 degree heat haze hides it :D

Jonny2621

18th May 2006, 12:30

Is the weather that bad? Can't see from here, the 90 degree heat haze hides it :D

Bog off you sun-worshipper :D

jonahjones

18th May 2006, 12:50

Flat Win System - 17.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £181.55.

1 selection:-

Phinerine - £5.45 matched at 4.68 (SP 5.0) - Won.

23 selections since 30.04.06 - 8 winners - 34.78% SR.

New bank after commission £200.58. :)

jonahjones

18th May 2006, 12:55

Flat Lay'em System - 17.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £189.57.

1 selection matched:-

Indian Edge - £2.00 matched at 5.0 (SP 4.33) - Won. :(

34 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 8 winners - SR 76.47%

New bank after commission £181.57.

Jammey

18th May 2006, 15:26

SCATTY .was the 7.10 at bath on wed.not a 3.y.o claiming stakes or was it
just trying to be helpfull.
jammey

scaaty

18th May 2006, 22:57

SCATTY .was the 7.10 at bath on wed.not a 3.y.o claiming stakes or was it
just trying to be helpfull.
jammey

Yes it was, but not sure what you're saying ? Maybe you're referring to the Lay system while I was talking about the Flat Win ?

Jammey

18th May 2006, 23:26

scatty ,iam really thick,yes i wuz on about lays as just out of sick bed and trying to catch up on things.alas i think stupid me should go back to bed again.
bye,jammey

scaaty

19th May 2006, 00:20

No worries, Jammey, appreciate you being helpful :)

And hope your sick bed gets better soon! :D

Jonny2621

19th May 2006, 08:51

Re the Flat LAYEM system:

Is a Stakes ( Handicap) (CL2) a qualifying race ?

mathare

19th May 2006, 09:28

It's a handicap Jonny so yeah

Jonny2621

19th May 2006, 09:42

Why do they make life hard work by calling it a stakes (handicap) ? :D

mathare

19th May 2006, 09:46

Why do they make life hard work by calling it a stakes (handicap) ? :DTo keep you on your toes. As soon as you become complacent you increase the chance of making mistakes. :)

Which race anyway Jon?

mathare

19th May 2006, 13:31

I make it no Lay'em lays. For NHPM I get 2 in the 6.40 and 1 in the 8.55 at Aintree.

Anyone else?

Jammey

19th May 2006, 13:47

yes i agree mathare,cheers for your help.
jammey

jonahjones

20th May 2006, 07:44

Hi Ada,
I didn't keep a note of what the forecast odds were, but unless I misread something I'm pretty sure it met all the criteria on the RP site which is what I used. Seems strange that it would be different in the paper version though ? I'm assuming that Jonah uses the RP site too as he had it qualifying ... maybe he can shed more light when he's around :doh

Hi Ada and Scaaty,

Sorry about the late reply but I haven't had much time on my hands since Wednesday.

I take all of my selections from the Racing Post website and double-check everything to make sure. Grand Opera was definitely forecast favourite at the time when I checked the site and it had forecast odds within range.

I am a bit disturbed to see that the paper can be different from the site as I was hoping to get my qualifiers from the paper on days when I did not have full internet access. :(

I hope this assists. :)

jonahjones

20th May 2006, 07:48

Flat Win System - 18.05.06

Thursday's starting bank £200.58.

1 selection:-

Septimus - £6.02 left as an order on Betdaq at 3.35 when trading at 3.3/3.4 - subsequently unmatched ;fire - won.

23 selections matced since 30.04.06 - 8 winners - 34.78% SR.

No change to bank - £200.58. :)

jonahjones

20th May 2006, 07:52

Flat Win System - 19.05.06

Friday's starting bank £200.58.

1 selection:-

Lemon drop Lad - £6.02 matched at 2.26 (SP 2.5) - Won.

24 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 9 winners - 37.5% SR.

New bank after commission £207.79. :)

jonahjones

20th May 2006, 08:02

Flat Lay'em System - 18.05.06

Thursday's starting bank £181.57.

3 selections matched:-

Swinbrook - £2.00 matched at 5.2 (SP 4.5) - 7th. :)

Zowington - £2.00 matched at 9.8 (SP 8.5) - 6th. :)

Seesawmilu - £2.00 matched at 7.00 (SP 6.0) - 10th. :)

37 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 8 winners - SR 78.38%

New bank after commission £187.28.

jonahjones

20th May 2006, 08:04

Flat Lay'em System - 19.05.06

No selections using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £187.28.

Jammey

20th May 2006, 11:14

JONAHJONES,using todays r.p.online i get 3 at thirsk
3.45x1
4.15x1
5.20x1
good luck from jammey

mathare

20th May 2006, 13:39

Slife says nowt at Thirsk due to the going (GS, S)

mathare

20th May 2006, 13:41

And just one NHPM lay in the 4.30 at Bangor

Jammey

20th May 2006, 14:33

i just thought the 4.30 bangor was a way out on forecast price.
jammey

jonahjones

21st May 2006, 08:03

Flat Win System - 20.05.06

No selections using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £207.79. :)

jonahjones

21st May 2006, 08:11

Flat Lay'em System - 20.05.06

Saturday's starting bank £187.28.

3 selections matched:-

Manouche - £2.00 matched at 7.98 (SP 7.5) - 10th. :)

Bluebok - £2.00 matched at 7.0 (SP 6.5) - 11th. :)

Paris Bell - £2.00 matched at 5.0 (SP 4.5) - 3rd. :)

40 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 8 winners - SR 80%

New bank after commission £192.98.

jonahjones

21st May 2006, 08:48

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - Day 1 - 20.05.06

Starting bank £200.00.

2 selections:-

No Retreat - £6.00 matched at 2.88 (SP 2.88) - Won.

Corrib Eclipse - £6.00 matched at 2.40 (SP 2.25) - Won.

2 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 2 winners - SR 100%!

New bank after commission £218.70. :)

Looking at the past results of all the three systems I have purchased, this one appears to take the longest to get off the ground but 2 winners out of 2 is a great start nonetheless. :)

Iron Chris

21st May 2006, 09:42

jonahjones

21st May 2006, 10:33

Jonah, I take it that you are doing these regardless of going conditions?

Chris, I am still a little naive to say the least when it comes to horse racing.

I looked at the going on the Racing Post site which indicated good-soft and I looked at the going on Sporting Life which indicated good-soft, soft in places.

I thought the Sporting Life had just provided some additional information and did not realise that the official going had actually changed, which I take it it had?

Thierry Henry

21st May 2006, 10:56

Sunday 21st May 2006

Flat Lays - No qualifiers due to ground

NH Lays - 3:55 Fakenham - 1 qualifier
5:25 Fakenham - 2 qualifiers

Everyone agree??

Iron Chris

21st May 2006, 12:55

Yes Jonah the going had gone to Heavy overnight...:yikes: ...if you are consistent then I don'y know whether it will be a problem or not..:doh .. but since the 4 from 4 day I have left them out but you have layed at least 6 losers so will be interesting to see the trend, I have kept a note of the results if the ones I have voided...:)

Thierry, I didn't get one in the 3:55 using RP..:)

Iron Chris

21st May 2006, 12:58

Just checked again Thierry and you are right...:wink ...thanks for posting up...:)

Thierry Henry

22nd May 2006, 08:24

Monday 22nd May 2006

Flat Lays - No qualifiers at Bath or Redcar due to ground.
9:00 - Musselburgh - 3 qualifiers

NH Lays - No qualifiers

Will check Bath & Redcar later for any ground changes.

Iron Chris

22nd May 2006, 08:30

Monday 22nd May 2006

Flat Lays - No qualifiers at Bath or Redcar due to ground.
9:00 - Musselburgh - 4 qualifiers

NH Lays - No qualifiers

Will check Bath & Redcar later for any ground changes.

Is the price on one of the four too low Thierry?

Thierry Henry

22nd May 2006, 08:38

Yes Chris - well spotted!

*Edited original post to reflect this!*

peza2605

22nd May 2006, 17:13

the flat win system!!

there is one in the 7.30 muss isnt there?? im just double checking cos the odds are a LOT different to the RP forecast:D

ray7

22nd May 2006, 17:21

I got that as well Peza the odds have changed a lot since last night on Betfair.

ray7

22nd May 2006, 17:23

2 winners on the flat win so far today. :wiggle: :REGamblMo

jonahjones

22nd May 2006, 22:02

Flat Win System - 21.05.06

Sunday's starting bank £207.79.

1 selection:-

Macorville - £6.23 matched at 1.59 (SP 1.5) - Won.

25 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 10 winners - 40.5% SR.

New bank after commission £211.29. :)

jonahjones

22nd May 2006, 22:10

Flat Win System - 22.05.06

Monday's starting bank £211.29.

3 selections:-

Il Palio - £6.34 matched at 1.88 (SP 2.1) - Won.

Salesin - £6.34 matched at 4.70 (SP 3.75) - Won.

Arnie de Burgh - £6.34 matched at 10.5 (SP 11.0) - 7th.

28 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 12 winners - 42.86% SR.

New bank after commission £232.54. :)

jonahjones

22nd May 2006, 22:19

Flat Lay'em System - 21.05.06

No selections using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £192.98.

Flat Lay'em System - 22.05.06

Monday's starting bank £192.98.

2 selections matched:-

Touch Of Ivory - £2.00 matched at 8.0 (SP 8.0) - 5th. :)

Mid Valley - £2.00 matched at 8.2 (SP 8.0) - 8th. :)

42 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 8 winners - SR 80.95%

New bank after commission £196.79.

jonahjones

22nd May 2006, 22:23

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 21.05.06

No selections using Racing Post website.

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 22.05.06

NH meeting at Newton Abbott abandoned.

Bank remains at £218.70. :)

Thierry Henry

23rd May 2006, 07:52

Tuesday 23rd May 2006

Flat Lays - No qualifiers

NH Lays - 6:40 Towcester - 1 qualifier
8:10 Towcester - 2 qualifiers

sukie

23rd May 2006, 08:13

Thierry

No qualifiers at Towcester - ground??

Iron Chris

23rd May 2006, 08:20

Tuesday 23rd May 2006

Flat Lays - No qualifiers

NH Lays - 8:10 Towcester - 2 qualifiers

Agree with the two Thierry but I also got one in the 6:40 as well?

Sukie - Ground not a factor on the NH System?

sukie

23rd May 2006, 08:31

Oops, sorry :peeky

Thierry Henry

23rd May 2006, 10:09

Right again Chris! :D

Iron Chris

23rd May 2006, 12:58

Was hoping Towcester would be called off - I think there are a couple of winners there tonight...:rolleyes:

mathare

23rd May 2006, 13:27

I make it too few runners in the 8.10 giving just one in the 6.40 on the NHPM, nothing on the Lay'ems and nothing on Jumping for Profit NH win system

Iron Chris

23rd May 2006, 13:30

I make it too few runners in the 8.10 giving just one in the 6.40 on the NHPM, nothing on the Lay'ems and nothing on Jumping for Profit NH win system

Was more runners last night Mat, not sure how we should treat this as the system says if there are N/R's the lay still counts but in this case it takes it below the lower limit of runners...:doh

mathare

23rd May 2006, 13:38

Using Slife at the same time of day as I always do for this it's not a qualifying race for me.

Up to you what you guys do, but whatever you do be consistent in the future and do the same next time.

Personally I'd void it though.

Jammey

23rd May 2006, 15:47

iron chris i just follow the lay rules on both systems and have being doing o.k.oh thanks for your kind help in the past.
jammey

Iron Chris

23rd May 2006, 15:55

iron chris i just follow the lay rules on both systems and have being doing o.k.oh thanks for your kind help in the past.
jammey

Thanks Jammey..:) .. does that mean you are laying in the 8:10 or not..:)

Jammey

23rd May 2006, 16:08

iron chris ,yes i will be laying ,if you are to good luck.
jammey

Jonny2621

23rd May 2006, 23:24

Flat Lay Ems - Wednesday 24th

From the Racing Post I have:

Kempton
255 - 1
325 - 1
435 - 5 Ooo

Goodwood
315 - 1

Anyone concur / disagree ? The 435 could be interesting !

Jammey

24th May 2006, 01:12

yes jonny2621, all agree,but in the 4.35 if we can keep the margins tight if i out of five win we may be lucky enough not to lose to much.on the plus side we could have the whole 5 up.
cheers jammey

Iron Chris

24th May 2006, 08:52

Agree with the Flat Lays, looks like we have the Top 5 in the betting in the 4:35... time for an outsider....pleeeeeeeease..:D

NH Lays :

4:10 x1
6:15 x1
7:15 x1

mathare

24th May 2006, 13:58

With Slife I make it:

Lay'ems

2.20 x 1
2.55 x 1
3.25 x 2
4.35 x 4

NHPM

4.10 x 2
6.15 x 1
7.15 x 1

I got 2 runners in the Jumping for Profit NH wins too, 6.45 and 8.35

Iron Chris

24th May 2006, 16:52

Looks like we missed out by a S.H. in the 4:35 with the second place horse being traded down to 1.01 as well...:yikes: :(

Jammey

24th May 2006, 18:31

iron chris,BEAT ON THE HEAD BY A SHORT POST.oh dear,oh dear,we will come bach or even back,
cheers jammey

Jammey

25th May 2006, 00:24

just a wee minus today IRON CHRIS,but good fun,alas nothing tomorrow,but a good day for browsing all the threads,just trying to learn.also method lay to do.
cheers
jammey

Iron Chris

25th May 2006, 08:29

Yes, so nearly the perfect day Jammey. Actually made a slight profit when including the NH Lays so a decent day really, just that S.H....;fire

I agree that there are no selections today as well..:)

Good luck with your other Lays today..:wink

Jammey

25th May 2006, 16:39

thanks IRON CHRIS ,we will see what tomorrow brings,
cheers
jammey

Jonny2621

25th May 2006, 23:51

I make it no flat layems for Friday using the RP, unless the going changes tomorrow of course

jonahjones

26th May 2006, 13:00

Flat Win System - 23.05.06 & 24.05.06

No qualifiers.

Flat Win System - 25.05.06

Thursday's starting bank £232.54.

2 selections:-

Deutschland - £6.98 matched at 2.69 (SP 2.38) - Won.

Final Verse - £6.98 matched at 1.45 (SP 1.5) - Won.

30 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 14 winners - 46.67% SR.

New bank after commission £246.73. :)

mathare

26th May 2006, 13:28

I make it no flat layems for Friday using the RP, unless the going changes tomorrow of courseSame with Slife, and a single NHPM lay in the 8.45.

No Jumping for Profit selections either.

mathare

27th May 2006, 13:00

Saturday's Slife selections:

Lay'ems
3.25 Ascot x 4
3.30 Newmarket x 2
3.15 Catterick

NHPM
7.50 Stratford x 2
8.50 Stratford
5.55 Cartmel
6.25 Cartmel
7.30 Cartmel x 2
8.00 Cartmel

Jumping for Profit
None

roma

27th May 2006, 13:31

Just bought the Flat Win - Running For Profit System a few minutes ago :)
I've done the selections very quickly from the RP website, wondering if I've got them right

Newmarket 1.25
Catterick 2.45
Newmarket 4.40

Please let me know even if it's after racing - thanks!

The first one just won anyway, that's half the cost of the system covered within about 30 mins of purchase :)

scaaty

27th May 2006, 13:51

Hi Roma,

Yes, I've got the same 3 selections :)

roma

27th May 2006, 14:25

Thanks Scaaty! :)

roma

27th May 2006, 19:16

Excellent - paid for itself on the first day :D

And there was me worrying whether I could afford it :rolleyes:

Jammey

28th May 2006, 01:45

Iron Chris We Got 4wins Out Of 4for W2w Flat Lays
8wins Out Of 8 For W2w Jump Lays
2wins Out Of 3for W2w Flat Run For Profit
Cheers
Jammey

jonahjones

28th May 2006, 09:10

Flat Lay'em System - 23.05.06

No selections using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £196.79.

Flat Lay'em System - 24.05.06

Wednesday's starting bank £196.79.

7 selections matched:-

Cross The Line - £2.00 matched at 7.8 (SP 8.5) - 2nd.

Raza Cab - £2.00 matched at 8.0 (SP 7.0) - 10th.

Eagle Eye - £2.00 matched at 9.2 (SP 7.0) - 8th.

Davidia - £2.00 matced at 8.2 (SP 5.5) - 4th.

Titus Lumpus - £2.00 matched at 7.4 (SP 9.0) - 12th.

Lii Najma - £2.00 matched at 8.6 (SP 8.0) - Won.

Murrumbidgee - £2.00 matched at 8.4 (SP 7.5) - 6th.

49 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 9 winners - SR 81.63%

New bank after commission £193.39.

jonahjones

28th May 2006, 09:18

Flat Lay'em System - 25.05.06 & 26.05.06

No selections matched using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £193.39.

Flat Lay'em System - 27.05.06

Saturday's starting bank £193.39.

4 selections matched:-

Burning Incense - £2.00 matched at 5.2 (SP 5.0) - 3rd.

Bajan Parkes - £2.00 matched at 8.0 (SP 11.0) - 4th.

Didnt We - £2.00 matched at 10.5 (SP 10.0) - 8th.

Borehan - £2.00 matced at 6.6 (SP 6.0) Won.

53 selections matched since 06.05.06 - 10 winners - SR 81.13%

New bank after commission £187.90.

jonahjones

28th May 2006, 09:28

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 23.05.06 & 24.05.06

No selections matched using Racing Post website.

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 25.05.06

Thursday's starting bank £218.70.

2 selections:-

Totally Scottish - £6.56 matched at 3.3 (SP 3.25) - Won.

Secret Ruby - £6.56 matched at 3.15 (SP 3.0) - 5th.

4 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 3 winners - SR 75%

New bank after commission £226.48.

jonahjones

28th May 2006, 09:30

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 26.05.06 & 27.05.06

No selections matched using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £226.48. :)

jonahjones

28th May 2006, 09:33

Flat Win System - 26.05.06

Friday's starting bank £246.73.

1 selection:-

Alhaajes - £7.40 matched at 2.50 (SP 2.2) - 2nd.

31 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 14 winners - 45.16% SR.

New bank after commission £239.33. :)

peza2605

28th May 2006, 09:34

i bought the flat backing system few weeks ago and ive gotta say its ideal for me, get selections in five minutes in morning then go to bed.

and its doing very well so far.:)

roll on april 2011:D

jonahjones

28th May 2006, 09:41

Flat Win System - 27.05.06

Saturday's starting bank £239.33.

3 selections:-

Compromiznotension - £7.18 matched at 3.25 (SP 3.25) - 6th.

Muzher - £7.18 matched at 3.85 (SP 4.33) - Won.

Missed Cousteau as I was at a football tournament with my son and, of course, it won.

33 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 15 winners - 45.45% SR.

These are flying at the moment and the SR should actually be higher as I have missed 2 selections since it started and both have won.

New bank after commission £251.59. :)

Iron Chris

28th May 2006, 12:00

Iron Chris We Got 4wins Out Of 4for W2w Flat Lays
8wins Out Of 8 For W2w Jump Lays
2wins Out Of 3for W2w Flat Run For Profit
Cheers
Jammey

Excellent Jammey..:) ..don't know if I did something wrong or goings eased and I missed them..:geek .. but I got 2 out of 2 on Flat Lays & 6 out of 6 NH Lays..:doh

Iron Chris

28th May 2006, 12:02

Looks like Didn't We got matched for some of you maybe, my order of 9.8 was not taken..:( .. and i was away from the PC most of the afternoon so couldn't change it.

Jammey

28th May 2006, 15:23

no flat lays
3.40x2 n.h lays
4.45x1
cheers
jammey

Iron Chris

28th May 2006, 19:20

I had one in the 5:15 as well Jammey.

Did you get matched in the 4:45 mate, I left an order at 10.0 but have been out. It was not taken but looking at the SP I thought it would have been?

3 more losers anyway, so the NH Lays continue their rise..:)

Jammey

28th May 2006, 21:30

4.45 a no,also from another sys,twenty degrees was trading at 11.5,cut of point ,i pressed submit button,the horse went to 12.0,i waited for a minute as as most times they come in again,but it drifted to 14.0,i did,nt lay,it lostbut sometimes i feel are these exchanges really bookies.by the way i use betdaq.
cheers
jammey

Jammey

28th May 2006, 23:35

jonahjones

29th May 2006, 09:29

Flat Win System - 28.05.06

No selections matched using Racing Post website as Mahrajaan non-runner.

Bank remains at £251.59. :)

jonahjones

29th May 2006, 09:30

Flat Lay'em System - 28.05.06

No selections matched using Racing Post website.

Bank remains at £187.90.

jonahjones

29th May 2006, 09:36

NH Backs - Jumping for Profit System - 28.05.06

Sunday's starting bank £226.48.

2 selections:-

Charmatic - £6.79 matched at 1.51 (SP 1.44) - Won.

Harpurs Girl - £6.79 matched at 3.1 (SP 3.75) - 2nd.

6 selections matched since 20.05.06 - 4 winners - SR 66.67%

New bank after commission £222.98. :)

Iron Chris

29th May 2006, 09:55

p.s, sorry but in answer to 4.45 did not get matched on betdaq

:laugh :laugh

No problems mate, think I got it worked out from the original post...:D

Just one NH Lay today & NO Flat Lays.

Thierry Henry

31st May 2006, 11:26

Wednesday 31st May 2006

Flat Lays - 4:55 @ Brighton - 1 qualifier
6:20 @ Southwell - 3 qualifiers
8:20 @ Southwell - 2 qualifiers
8:45 @ Beverley - 1 qualifiers

NH Lays - No Qualifiers

Everyone agree??

Iron Chris

31st May 2006, 12:55

jonahjones

31st May 2006, 13:39

Flat Win System - 29.05.06

Monday's starting bank £251.59.

1 selection:-

River Kirov - £7.55 matched at 1.6 (SP 1.57) - Won.

34 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 16 winners - 47.05% SR.

New bank after commission £255.89. :)

jonahjones

31st May 2006, 13:41

Flat Win System - 30.05.06

Tuesday's starting bank £255.89.

1 selection:-

Hopeful Purchase - £7.68 matched at 1.28 (SP 1.25) - Won.

35 selections matched since 30.04.06 - 17 winners - 48.57% SR.

New bank after commission £257.93. :)