Diabetes

[gogga]

I according to my GP might suffer from type II diabetes. Will do the last and deciding test next week. I said to my GP I feel that its like giving me a death sengtence because I love sweet things .......

Does anyone have diabetes on here? I wanted to know if there is alternative medication I can take that will lower my blood sugar levels.

[kirwan]

I am 42 years old and was told I had type 2 diabetes about 3 months ago (I told the doctor I was waking up about 4 times a night to go to the toilet in a routine check up). I'm contolling it at the moment just with diet, I was 17.5 stone and now I'm 16.5 stone so I've lost about 1 stone but I need to lose another stone. There is a very good book which my mother gave me (she also found out she had it when she was 44 years old) called Living into the 21st Century with Diabetes by Peggy Stacy it got some good food ideas in it. I must admit my wife is a god sent so I can just ask her if I can eat something and she is a very good cook (when I was told I was bombarded with information and I just could not take it all in as I was still in a bit of shock), she absorbed all the information and brought books on the subject, looked up info on the web, asked all the right questions at the doctors (I just sat there dumbfounded).

[Win2Win]

Type 2 isn't the serious one....this is helpful http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/diabetes2.html

[gogga]

Thanks ....... guys

I have to cook for myself ......... so I normally just eat out ....... suppose I will have to change my habbits and go on a diet and loose weight.

[Littlegaz]

Sir Stephen Redgrave has had it for years, so you're not in bad company. As Keith says, it's not as naughty as type I and with a little bit of control there's no reason for it to affect the quality or length of your life.

[gogga]

Thanks mate .......... I was getting a bit worried because I realised that my eyesight bemomes blurred when I eat something sweet .......... it is one of the symptoms....:yikes:

I am lucky that a very diligent nurse picked it up when I went to the hospital to get my prescription for medicine.:D She gave me one look and asked if I ran to the hospital because I was sweating like mad. ... I did not. They have done a few blood tests and the sugar was way above the limit. I was a bit schocked because most of my life I suffered from low blood sugar and at times had to eat sweet things to get it the levels up.

Well i have decided to start positive by doing 2 things::Helooo

1) going on a diet.:lickme Have been reading about the glysemic index and the doc says every gram I loose help. So I have decided to go on tghe South beach diet wittch is based on tzhe glysemic index and the atkinsons diet (in the first 2 weeks) I think.

2) Start exercising .:headbange ... at least 30 minutes a day according to Keiths link. Will start by walking to school .... 35 minutes. If I am more fit will take up badminton and squash again.

[Roberto]

I according to my GP might suffer from type II diabetes.
I'm really sorry to hear that, Gogga, and I wish you well with/without it, whichever it turns out to be.

I wanted to know if there is alternative medication I can take that will lower my blood sugar levels.
Remember that "alternative" is just another word for "unproven". In medicine, and especially in diabetes, once something is actually proven to work, it very rapidly (and necessarily so, to avoid litigation) becomes "orthodox" rather than "alternative".

If I might try to make a constructive suggestion, regardless of whether "weight" is of any relevance or interest to you, you might find reading the "Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution" book of great value and interest. He was no fool at all. And wrote quite a lot about diabetes.

[gogga]

Thanks for the info Roberto .... but hey sometimes life deal you a bad card. It is what you do with that card that make a difference. I have been diagnosed a few years ago with skin cancer ..... luckily the more friendly version. I have to avoid the sun ..... which is one hell of a challenge as I love sunny climates. I still go down to the beach at times burt well prepared.....

[gogga]

Now if I turn allergic to horse racing :yikes: that will be a bugger:D :D

[Win2Win]

From what I hear Vincent O'Brien is opening up a racetrack in Heaven.....and a certain William Hill has promised to open a book :wink

[Bulldog]

I've got it too. doesn't stop me doing anything at all. Just have to avoid eating crap food. I'm lucky there in that it's not a bad habit I've ever had.

The only advice I can give is about beer. My one bad habit.

Ordinary beer will bump your sugar levels up to dangerous levels. Low carb beers tatse how they look, pissy.

However, there is a beer that wins on both counts. Miller. Used to be called Miller Lite but is now just called Miller. Comes in silver cans. Tastes better than most lagers and is low in carbohydrate. Although the general advice for diabetics is to limit their intake of alcohol this is a doctor's general advice for everyone. If you fancy a beer and don't fancy having to sip on a couple of pints then get on the Miller. then check your sugar, you'll be amazed that it has probably even gone down.

It's brewed by Scottish and Newcastle aka Courage. As I drink in a Courage establishment I just got them to order some in and I pour it in a pint glass and look the same as everyone else. Except that everyone else in there is fat.

[samantha1303]

Miller tastes like :pss so that is probably why.

My blood sugar is always low less than 4 and at times I go all dizzy and feel faint and I have to eat something or drink pop.

Re the atkins diet - it is not good.
For a couple of weeks fair enough any longer its bad news.
Red meat and dairy with no fruit or veg might enable you to lose the ponds to start with but is not healthy at all.Plus the massive amounts on protein will cause problems I'm sure presto or one of the others who are on a fitness plan could tell you more about this.

[Bulldog]

Try Michelob Ultra. No taste at all. There's plenty in my place that drink the Miller that don't have diabetes so it can't be all that bad.

One more thing. Avoid Holsten Pils. It's loaded with sugar.

[samantha1303]

Its nice though.
What about the diet versions??? Are the carbs converted to sugar or the other way around?
I see Corona and Heineken are now both doing diet lager.Only in America at the mo I think though.

[Bulldog]

Strictly "diet" is the wrong word. The real word is "diat" with an umlaut on the a. It's a German word and it signifies a reduced sugar beer. The Germans were the first to really get involved in such beers. The yanks now dabble but what they produce tatses awful. If you look at Holsten Pils now you won't find the word diat as they are not allowed to use it anymore. Although they say on the bottle it is lower in carbohydrate, in reality it isn't low in sugar.

Obviously the carb in Miller that it is low in is defintiely the sugar element.

Some beers like Coors light and Peroni (Nastro Azzuro) are slightly lower than others carb wise but I wouldn't like to say whether this actually applicable to the sugar content itself.

[samantha1303]

If gogga follows the path of the atkins or the not much different south beach diet no lager or bitter will be allowed.

[Bulldog]

The Atkins is potentially lethal for anyone with diabetes due to the high fat conent. One of the most important elements of a diabetic diet is to keep it low in fat, especially saturated or trans (hydrogenated) fats. I can't see the Atkins being very good for the Cholesterol levels.

[samantha1303]

Doesn't lager have to contain carbs or sugar in high amounts?? All that yeast and hops etc?
What do they do to Miller to make it any different?

Gogga drink vodka, neat, cos the mixer you add will have too many calories.Never did the russians any harm :wink

By the way how tall are you?
How much do you weigh?

[Bulldog]

That's the thing, I don't what they do with Miller to make it so low carb and still keep it like a normal beer. If they can do it then why can't the others?

I used to drink Fosters. If I have to drink that now it's like drinking syrup.

[samantha1303]

The Atkins is potentially lethal for anyone with diabetes due to the high fat conent. One of the most important elements of a diabetic diet is to keep it low in fat, especially saturated or trans (hydrogenated) fats. I can't see the Atkins being very good for the Cholesterol levels.

The atkins and south beach are lethal for anyone if followed long term.
They provide a quick fix but cause other problems especially with the digestive system as your body can not digest all that red meat effectively.
Bloating, flatulance, constipation and dior.... however its spelt are the short term effects of the digestive system long term it leads to many complications

[samantha1303]

That's the thing, I don't what they do with Miller to make it so low carb and still keep it like a normal beer. If they can do it then why can't the others?

I used to drink Fosters. If I have to drink that now it's like drinking syrup.

Fosters, and Carling are the two worst lagers ever made.
Yes if its the only thing available on a night when you are drinking and having fun you will force it down ( I put lime in it so much I can't even taste the lager but otherwise wouldn't touch it )
Stella is the one decent lager readilly available in England.

[presto]

hi gogga,
as sam says te 'atkins' type of diet's arn't healthy - and really only short term.

the 'atkins' is a terrible diet.
basically - high protein / fat. no carbs
why is it bad?
protein needs carbs to be used in the building of muscle etc.... so stopping the carbs will stop the usefullness of the protein to the body.
fruit and veg are also carbs, these are very healthy and contain vitamins and minerals (and the micro nutrients) the body needs to function properly.
carbs are what give the body energy, so without the carbs. you will become drained of energy.
your muscles will start to breakdown into fat (for energy). you will lose weight no doupt about it. however not in a good way. also as soon as you stop the diet (or even not do it by the letter) you will gain back the weight at a faster rate than normal.
also the lose 8-13 lbs a week the 'south beach diet' advertises is not as good as it seems. basically anything more than 3-4 lbs a week is not reccomended - as any more than that and you will be losing muscle, not fat.

there is no real secret to a good diet. just 'eat clean' by this i mean:
lean meat (protein) - beef, chicken, turkey.
fruit and veg - spinach instead of lettuice (reccomended) tyr and have a piece of fruit a day, some salad for lunch and quite a few vegy's for dinner.
carbs - have a baked potato instead of chips, wholegrain instead of white bread, (also try to cut the ammount of bread a bit).
cut the crap - don't eat sweet's / crisps etc - have a piece of fruit. try and cook stuff from fresh rather than pre-made (also has the advantage of knowing what goes into the food).

aim for 2-3lbs 'ish' loss a week. also the walking / exercise is a great idea, IMO losing weight is not just about diet but exercise aswell (60/40 split) something that the diet's often fail to mention.

(BTW - i feel a bit hypocritical blasting the low carb thing at the moment as i have just started a 'modified' VELOCITY DIET (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=8BF6F85931F047EEFE2487D493D6A402.hydra?id=1295181) - however this diet, i feel is not for everyone, also very hard to stick at by the looks of it - i am also highly supplementing it, and having 1 clean meal a day - under intense training)

[samantha1303]

Excellent post Presto I know a little about these things from what I read but I don't remember enough of the facts to explain in full

[A_B_laben]

It's true Gogga that world become test less for Diabetic patients. and I can understand this well......... because just like you I am also addicted to sweet & have type III glucose level in my blood. I can still remember that day when doctor told me that sugar is a poison for me::swear . & there is no permanent cure of this disease. :ermmm



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[TheOldhamWhisper]

Post that link again and you are banned.

[bigcumba]

It's true Gogga that world become test less for Diabetic patients. and I can understand this well......... because just like you I am also addicted to sweet & have type III glucose level in my blood. I can still remember that day when doctor told me that sugar is a poison for me::swear . & there is no permanent cure of this disease. :ermmm



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