mathare
27th May 2007, 22:03
Let me start by saying that at the time the decision was made I felt it was the wrong decision but that was emotions talking and I think deep down I knew the tournament director had made the correct decision. I sat with him afterwards and had a decent chat about it and we talked it over and over and I agree now with the decision he made.
That's just in case he reads this :laugh
A 40-runner freezeout paying one place only - winner takes all with the prize being a £1500 package to a poker event such as UK tour event.
We're down to two tables, neither of which is full so there are maybe 15 players left. I've just been moved to this table and have seen two or three hands played out, all of which have involved the short stack pushing all in and taking the blinds. I don't have much of a read on anyone else, I haven't had the opportunity to get one.
Blinds are 300/600 and I'm in the BB with Q6o.
Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 tries to raise to 1000 before the dealer corrects his raise to a 1200 minimum to go and the extra 200 chips go in. Folded around to me on the BB.
As soon as seat 4 screwed his raise up my ears pricked up and I looked at my cards and began to think whether I could take this off him if it was passed round to me. I wasn't sure and I was getting short-stacked so I pushed for an extra 5000 or so, probably a bit under. The raiser has me covered and I know that but will he lay it down? I hoped so with Q6o.
I turned to my left and saw a pair of Aces face up on the felt. The dealer had been counting my chips and calling the all-in to the tournament director. There had been no verbal declaration of the call so I assumed seat 4 had made a big (and stupid) laydown and was saying to the table "Look, I can fold aces." Only that made no sense whatsoever but my hands made an instinctive move towards the pot. Why not? He's folded, after all so I win.
The dealer spots this and brings in Glen, the tournament director. He explains his reasoning, and tells seat 4 he's been a muppet, but lets the hand stand. Why would he lay down AA? He wouldn't so it's obvious his intention was to call the all-in and we should play out the hand.
The flop came rag-Q-rag, rag on the turn and rag on the river. The chips went to my left and I left the table. I was not a happy bunny - folded hands can't win a pot.
Anyway, I soon calmed down (thank you Arthur Guinness) and discussed the hand with a few people, including Glen. Could I have won the tournament? Yes, I was still in and anytime you're in a tourney you still have a chance of winning it. Would I have won it? Probably not. There were better players than me out there and was getting short-stacked. And busting in 15th is the same as coming 2nd - I win nothing. Had the tourney paid multiple places Glen said his decision would have been different.
But I think everyone at that table (and on the bootcamp because the hand got discussed a lot) learned one valuable lesson: vocalise all your actions before you make them in live play.
I also seem to recall this isn't the first time such a story has been heard on a W2W forum. If I remember correctly Fade has had a similar thing happen to him in an event, back in his poker playing days. Not sure he busted out on it but I seem to recall a story of his of someone flipping their hand over without announcing their call.
That's just in case he reads this :laugh
A 40-runner freezeout paying one place only - winner takes all with the prize being a £1500 package to a poker event such as UK tour event.
We're down to two tables, neither of which is full so there are maybe 15 players left. I've just been moved to this table and have seen two or three hands played out, all of which have involved the short stack pushing all in and taking the blinds. I don't have much of a read on anyone else, I haven't had the opportunity to get one.
Blinds are 300/600 and I'm in the BB with Q6o.
Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 tries to raise to 1000 before the dealer corrects his raise to a 1200 minimum to go and the extra 200 chips go in. Folded around to me on the BB.
As soon as seat 4 screwed his raise up my ears pricked up and I looked at my cards and began to think whether I could take this off him if it was passed round to me. I wasn't sure and I was getting short-stacked so I pushed for an extra 5000 or so, probably a bit under. The raiser has me covered and I know that but will he lay it down? I hoped so with Q6o.
I turned to my left and saw a pair of Aces face up on the felt. The dealer had been counting my chips and calling the all-in to the tournament director. There had been no verbal declaration of the call so I assumed seat 4 had made a big (and stupid) laydown and was saying to the table "Look, I can fold aces." Only that made no sense whatsoever but my hands made an instinctive move towards the pot. Why not? He's folded, after all so I win.
The dealer spots this and brings in Glen, the tournament director. He explains his reasoning, and tells seat 4 he's been a muppet, but lets the hand stand. Why would he lay down AA? He wouldn't so it's obvious his intention was to call the all-in and we should play out the hand.
The flop came rag-Q-rag, rag on the turn and rag on the river. The chips went to my left and I left the table. I was not a happy bunny - folded hands can't win a pot.
Anyway, I soon calmed down (thank you Arthur Guinness) and discussed the hand with a few people, including Glen. Could I have won the tournament? Yes, I was still in and anytime you're in a tourney you still have a chance of winning it. Would I have won it? Probably not. There were better players than me out there and was getting short-stacked. And busting in 15th is the same as coming 2nd - I win nothing. Had the tourney paid multiple places Glen said his decision would have been different.
But I think everyone at that table (and on the bootcamp because the hand got discussed a lot) learned one valuable lesson: vocalise all your actions before you make them in live play.
I also seem to recall this isn't the first time such a story has been heard on a W2W forum. If I remember correctly Fade has had a similar thing happen to him in an event, back in his poker playing days. Not sure he busted out on it but I seem to recall a story of his of someone flipping their hand over without announcing their call.