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hg123
2nd March 2008, 09:00
I will post the qualifiers here before they run for this system. In the past 15 days it has grown a £1000 bank to £5138 today! Qualifiers are usually the fav or 2ndfav and only qualify for results purposes if the SP is Evens to 7/2 inclusive.

Here is how the system has performed over the past 15 days>>>

Starting bank £1000
Minimum SP Evens : Maximum SP 7/2 or no bet
10% stake to win Evens to 2/1
5% stake to win 85/40 to 7/2
Results at SP+10%...everyone should easily beat the SP by an average of at least 10% by backing when the price is falling; using the exchanges and using the back+lay technique to boost average price when the price is falling.
Bank is updated at the end of each day.

February2008
15
320 HIT THE ROOF won6/4
355 RAPIDITY won11/4
430 BENLLECH won15/8
720 NINTH HOUSE won3/1

10% stake 100: +3.7 points +370
5% stake 50: +6.3 points +315
Bank: 1685

16
1235 SERABAD won6/5
105 WICHITA LINEMAN unp9/4
115 AIR FORCE ONE 2nd15/8
145 JUST AMAZING 2nd9/4
215 SILVER GUEST won5/4
425 THE GANGERMAN 2nd7/4
620 IKE QUEBEC won9/4

10% stake 168: +0.7 point +117
5% stake 84: +0.5 point +42
Bank: 1844

17
300 CAPE OF STORMS won1/1
430 HAROLDINI 5th3/1

10% stake 184: +1.1 points +117
5% stake 92: +0.5 point +42
Bank: 2003

19
210 KARMEST won5/4
410 THEY ALL LAUGHED won6/4
420 EMERALD WILDERNESS unp6/4
440 SILVER HOTSPUR won11/8

10% stake 200: +3.5 points +700
5% stake 100:
Bank: 2703

20
750 DON PICCOLO unp5/2
920 SMOKEY THE BEAR unp7/2

10% stake 270:
5% stake 135: -2 points -270
Bank: 2433

21
150 FRETWORK won2/1....went to 21/1 inrunning!!
240 BANOGE 3rd6/4
250 MODICUM won2/1
300 HITS ONLY JUDE won9/4
310 SOMETHING SILVER won3/1...8/1 inrunning
325 HOLD EM won7/4...13/1 inrunning!
405 BENTLEY BROOK won5/2
440 ANOTHER GENEPI 2nd11/4
520 LORD OF ILLUSION 2nd9/4
720 BLACKHEATH won11/10
920 BUSCADOR 3rd7/2

10% stake 243: +6.5 points +1579
5% stake 121: +5.5 points +665
Bank: 4677

22
210 CODA AGENCY won5/2
345 AMBER BROOK won11/10
450 GLAD BIG 2nd9/4
500 SILVER HOTSPUR 3rd7/4
520 TRIBAL VENTURE won6/5

10% stake 467: +1.5 points +700
5% stake 233: +1.7 points +396
Bank: 5773

23
150 UNOWATIMEEN PU6/5
200 RED LINNET won6/4...over 10/1 inrunning
300 VIKING REBEL won11/8...over 6/1 inrunning
345 BONUS 3rd7/4
420 THE HAIRY LEMON won9/4
435 MIGHTY MOOSE unp9/4
455 SEA SAFFRON 4th7/2
510 ALFRESCO 2nd5/2

10% stake 577: +1.1 points +634
5% stake 288: -0.5 point -144
Bank: 6263

24
215 GALIENT won1/1
235 WIZBY 2nd3/1
340 FARADAY 3rd6/5
350 MY WAY DE SOLZEN 2nd11/8

10% stake 626: -0.9 point -563
5% stake 313: -1 point -313
Bank: 5387

25
240 MORBICK won13/8
250 TROIALINI unp3/1
320 MASSINI SUNSET unp7/4
330 MICKMACMAGOOLE unp15/8
340 MONTE MAJOR 2nd 7/2
440 MOTARJM won6/4

10% stake 538: +1.4 points +753
5% stake 269: -2 points -538
Bank: 5622

26
200 TAPAS LAD unp7/2
230 TENSION MOUNTS unp11/10
320 SO BRASH unp3/1
330 BENLLECH unp9/4
420 MINOUCHKA won11/4
450 LYSANDER won10/3

10% stake 562: -1 point -562
5% stake 281: +3.6 points +1011
Bank: 6071

27
240 LETHAM ISLAND 2nd11/4
310 LITTLETON ALDOR 4th3/1
450 AWESOME GEORGE 2nd11/8

10% stake 607: -1 point -607
5% stake 303: -2 points -606
Bank: 4858

28
300 NOBODY TELLS ME 2nd1/1
310 CARCINETTO unp7/2
400 FARMERS LAD won7/4
750 EASTERN HILLS unp11/8

10% stake 485: -0.1 point -48
5% stake 242: -1 point -242
Bank: 4568

29
240 VON GALEN unp7/2
340 PRIME CONTENDER won1/1...went 3.85 inrunning
350 BURREN LEGEND 2nd3/1
415 RANDWICK ROAR won2/1
535 ALWAYS BOLD no bet
650 HOLLOW JO unp2/1
920 BEN BACCHUS won11/10

10% stake 456: +3.5 points +1596
5% stake 228: -2 points -456
Bank: 5708

Excellent day yesterday and anyone following should be achieving far better returns than those shown in the results by watching the prices and backing when the price starts to fall and also use the back+lay technique to enhance prices even further

PRIME CONTENDER won1/1...I averaged 2.42 (1.42/1)...42% greater than SP
RANDWICK ROAR won2/1...I averaged 3.65 (2.65/1)...32.5% greater than SP
BEN BACCHUS won11/10...was available at much bigger prices early on. I got 3.0 (2/1)...81% greater than the SP!

March2008
01
200 BRAVE REBELLION unp11/4
220 CARDINAL SPIRIT 2nd7/2...went 1.13 inrunning
255 ROWLEY HILL P10/3
325 STELLENBOSCH no bet
330 UNGARO no bet
340 MAGIC SKY no bet
425 PAMAK D'AIRY no bet
435 GENTLE JOHN won11/8
440 HARRINGAY nr
750 NINTH HOUSE no bet
920 BUSCADOR 2nd13/8

10% stake 570: +0.5 point +285
5% stake 285: -3 points -855
Bank: 5138
34 winners : 43 losers = 44% strike rate

GENTLE JOHN won 11/8...I backed at 2.76 when the price started falling...28% greater than the SP but you could have done even better boosting the price to around 2/1 by using the back+lay technique.

Sundays' bets will be posted here later.

Win2Win
2nd March 2008, 10:10
Few questions so others who do not understand do...!!


only qualify for results purposes if the SP is Evens to 7/2 inclusive
How do we know SP before the race has started?


10% stake to win Evens to 2/1
5% stake to win 85/40 to 7/2
These stakes are very high risk for the prices ranges, how much research data are they based on, as having run 1000's of tests myself over the years, those kind of stakes will statistically
at some point cripple the bank.


everyone should easily beat the SP by an average of at least 10%
You just seem to be adding 10% to the results, that figure is not easy to get with the shorter priced horses these days, and bookmakers now having a lot of influence on exchange prices, you are lucky to get 3%, and in some races SP is better than exchange prices.


backing when the price is falling
Only those trading profitably in the first place could make any use of this info, otherwise they are just guessing.

hg123
2nd March 2008, 10:46
Few questions so others who do not understand do...!!


How do we know SP before the race has started?

You don't but near as do by seeing the show price just before the off. If you've already backed it and the price goes outside the range just before the off then you can lay back for a free bet if it's gone odds on or let it ride.


These stakes are very high risk for the prices ranges, how much research data are they based on, as having run 1000's of tests myself over the years, those kind of stakes will statistically
at some point cripple the bank.

Over a year.


You just seem to be adding 10% to the results, that figure is not easy to get with the shorter priced horses these days, and bookmakers now having a lot of influence on exchange prices, you are lucky to get 3%, and in some races SP is better than exchange prices.


Only those trading profitably in the first place could make any use of this info, otherwise they are just guessing.

Nobody should bet at SP these days and everyone should easily beat the SP by at least 10% on average. I beat one by 81% a few days ago. It just takes watching the Betfair graph to see which way the price is going or monitor something like oddschecker. The figures I show in the results are really the minimum anyone should return longterm.

hg123
2nd March 2008, 10:48
02
210 ELLERSLIE ALI
220 SUMMER OF LOVE
230 GOOD COMPANY
330 SPARKLING TAFF
410 LUNA LANDING
500 IN VINO

10% stake 513:
5% stake 256:

http://www.bestofthebets.co.uk/graemlins/dessie.gif

bigcumba
2nd March 2008, 11:30
To be perfectly honest, YOU may have done well with the system over the last few days, but WE don't know that, so as far as the forum is concerned you're starting from scratch and your staking should show that.

TheOldhamWhisper
2nd March 2008, 16:27
Just a word of warning to people:

hg123's previous posts reveal a system that (according to the author) produced 301 points profit in the year - but then, after two days losses he disappeared.

PLEASE be careful following systems from sources other than Win2Win - it can be a VERY expensive hobby.

TheOldhamWhisper
2nd March 2008, 16:33
17
300 CAPE OF STORMS won1/1
430 HAROLDINI 5th3/1

10% stake 184: +1.1 points +117
5% stake 92: +0.5 point +42
Bank: 2003
...

A simple explanation of how you made 159 profits on an Even money shot and a loser would be interesting to hear!! :doh

Win2Win
2nd March 2008, 16:41
Nobody should bet at SP these days and everyone should easily beat the SP by at least 10% on average. I beat one by 81% a few days ago. It just takes watching the Betfair graph to see which way the price is going or monitor something like oddschecker. The figures I show in the results are really the minimum anyone should return longterm.
You ignored my questions then? :splapme

TheOldhamWhisper
2nd March 2008, 16:49
In the 2.20 and 2.30 races today, both selections were odd on and odds against at some point on the exchanges - this means that they were qualifiers and non-qualifiers according to the rules.

On further investigation, some of your 'no bet' horses actually fell into the selection categories at some point. Pamak D'Airy for example opened in the betting at 11/4.

hg123
2nd March 2008, 19:36
02
210 ELLERSLIE ALI 2nd11/8
220 SUMMER OF LOVE no bet
230 GOOD COMPANY won6/4
330 SPARKLING TAFF 3rd11/4
410 LUNA LANDING no bet
500 IN VINO won2/1

10% stake 513: +2.85 points +1463
5% stake 256: -1 point -256
Bank: 6345
36 winners : 45 losers = 44% strike rate

Good day with 2 10% winners.

I clearly say the bets only stand if the SP is between Evens and 7/2.
>>>and only qualify for results purposes if the SP is Evens to 7/2 inclusive.<<<

and I clearly say 10% stake if the price is Evens to 2/1 and 5% over 2/1 to 7/2

17th should read

17 [/b]
300 CAPE OF STORMS won1/1
430 HAROLDINI 5th3/1

10% stake 184: +1.1 points +202
5% stake 92: -1 point -92
Bank: 1954

I won't post any more.

Please delete the thread.

buddhabee
2nd March 2008, 19:53
...but then, after two days losses he disappeared.

... and again, like Kaiser Saucy

Win2Win
2nd March 2008, 19:54
I clearly say the bets only stand if the SP is between Evens and 7/2.
You must have a TARDIS then :doh

mathare
2nd March 2008, 20:34
I won't post any more.

Please delete the thread.Another toy-pram separation case I feel

bigcumba
2nd March 2008, 20:46
I won't post any more.

the most believable part of the system? :wink