Fair Maidens?

[frontrunner]

I am going to select horses that I consider to be a fair price after doing some research on a number of things which may work out in my favour :thumbs

Todays Selection is...

JUST FOR LEO who runs in the 2.00 RIPON

Todays Stake is...

£11 each way @ SP


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[frontrunner]

JUST FOR LEO finished 4th so the betting bank is now £978.

I'm going to jump on the Richard Hannon bandwaggon & go for ROYAL EXCHANGE who runs in the 1.35 Newbury.

Stake £42 Win @ SP


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[mick56]

best wishes for your selections :thumbs

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Thank you very much Mick :thumbs


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[frontrunner]

Despite their being 14 bets of £400 (including office money) ROYAL EXCHANGE got caught in the very last stride :headbange

Todays selection is LATANSAA 1.30 Newbury

Stake £50 @ 5/2

Bank £936

SR 0/2


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[frontrunner]

LATANSAA finished 3rd (had every chance). If K.FALLON had ridden all the Maktoum horses that R.Hills has I think he would have won more races than Hills has.

Here's the FAIR MAIDEN story so far

Winners 0
Placed 2
U/Plcd 1 (4th)
Bank £886


Todays Selection is

LITTLEPORTNBRANDY 5.40 WINDSOR

Stake £50 @ 10/3


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LITTLEPORTNBRANDY finished 2nd (2/1 from 10/3)

If I pick a Hannon horse to win it loses If I pick a horse to beat a Hannon horse guess what? The Hannon horse wins :headbange

Todays selection is

SUBMARINER 4.35 Folkestone

£150 Win @ SP

Bank £836
SR 0/4


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[mick56]

Well done mate nice result with the sub.No what you mean about trainers i seem to get the same with mark johnston

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SUBMARINER Won (£150 @ 11/8) :happyboun

The Bank now stands at £1,042.26 :thumbs

SR 1/5 (20%)

A winner was due Mick as the way the previous selections had performed made me feel that I was not doing much wrong.


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Todays Selection

HARRIS TWEED (9/4) 5.10 RIPON

£12 @ SP


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HARRIS TWEED Won @ 4/5

Bank now £1,051.86

SR 2/6 (33.33%)


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Todays selection

RAWNAQ 4.50 HAMILTON

Stake £40 @ 11/8


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RAWNAQ Won @ 1/1

BANK £1,106.86

SR 3/7 (43%)


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[mick56]

Well done FR,you have made a great start to the challenge.I am intrigued by your staking,could you comment?.

[frontrunner]

Of a course I can speak Mick the wife's just given me her permission :D

The staking as you can see varies a little. What I have tried to do is try & stake to win various amounts. Yesterdays selection was staked to win £55 hence the stake of £40 @ 11/8. My fair price for RAWNAQ was 5/4.

If a selection loses then the next stake will be be based on recouping that loss plus a profit that is why one of my bets was £150. This £1,000 Challenge is just a bit of fun but I do put a lot of time & effort in as you probably know by now reading my posts that I do have my moments for picking the odd winner or two :thumbs


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[mick56]

Cheers,FR it sounds like you are using a form of retrieve staking,that's interesting as years ago it used to be in vogue,but i have not seen it mentioned for a long time.
As you say the challenge is a bit of fun,but racing appears to be full of aftertimers,and i admire anyone who puts thier selections up before the result is known.Best wishes for continued profits.

[frontrunner]

Thank you for those kind words Mick.

What makes this Challenge even more Challenging is that I'm only backing Maidens.


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[mick56]

Thank you for those kind words Mick.

What makes this Challenge even more Challenging is that I'm only backing Maidens.

You are very welcome FR,i think it is a good thing to specialise,and your choice of Maidens is interesting for myself as i have never looked deeply into these races.If you felt able starting a thread on betting in Maiden races could make for some interesting posts.

[eruptive plot]

good luck with this thread fr,but i think you have made a small mistake when submariner won. you staked £150 @ 11/8 which would have won £206.you have added the stake to the profit which works out at £356 so instead of the balance being £1,190.26 it would have been £1040.26

[mathare]

good luck with this thread fr,but i think you have made a small mistake when submariner won. you staked £150 @ 11/8 which would have won £206.you have added the stake to the profit which works out at £356 so instead of the balance being £1,190.26 it would have been £1040.26There's a minor mistake before that too with the balance decreasing from £886 to £834 after a £50 losing bet - there's an extra £2 floating around somewhere?

[frontrunner]

Thank you eruptive plot & mathare for pointing those things out. I have updated the threads.

PROFIT £106.86

SR 3/7 (43%) rounded up :laugh


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[frontrunner]

You are very welcome FR,i think it is a good thing to specialise,and your choice of Maidens is interesting for myself as i have never looked deeply into these races.If you felt able starting a thread on betting in Maiden races could make for some interesting posts.

Your request has been noted :)

I'd like to be able to do a lot more but due to work commitments I simply don't have the time.


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Next Selection

3.00 BATH

BOBBY SMITH (9/4)

£12 Win


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BOBBY SMITH (3rd)

Profit £94.86

SR 3/8 (37.50%)


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SELECTION

5.50 GOODWOOD

THEOLOGY (11/4)

£12 Win


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THEOLOGY Won @ 2/1

Profit £127.86

SR 4/9 (44.44%)


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[mick56]

Well done FR,thats a very sweet S/R :thumbs

[frontrunner]

Well done FR,thats a very sweet S/R :thumbs

Thank you :thumbs


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SELECTION

8.00 RIPON

BONHEURS ART (5/4)

£16 Win


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BONHEURS ART Won @ 5/4

Profit £147.86

SR 5/10 (50%)


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SELECTION

6.30 BATH

KOJAK (15/8)

£22 Win


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KOJAK finished 2nd :headbange

The less said about the jockeys performance the better :grinny

Profit £125.86

SR 5/11 (45%)


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SELECTION

4.10 SALISBURY

SHIMMERING MOMENT (11/4)

£16 Win


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What a difference a day makes... 24 little hours :wiggle:

SHIMMERING MOMENT Won @ 9/4

Profit £169.86

SR 6/12 (50%)


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SELECTION

8.40 DONCASTER

RAVENFIELD (15/8)

£11 Win


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RAVENSFIELD finished nearer last than first :butthead:

Profit £158.86

SR 6/13 (46%)


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SELECTION

6.10 WINDSOR

INDIAN NARJES (5/4)

£25 Win


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INDIAN NARJES is another loser :butthead:

Profit £123.86

SR 6/14 (43%)


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SELECTION

3.50 MUSS

PRESS RELEASE (5/2)

£23 Win


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[Pip]

Surely you mean the 3.10 :doh

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Yes I did pip :)

PRESS RELEASE let the side down again :mad:

Profit £103.86

SR 6/15 (40%)


Todays Selection

2.00 GOODWOOD

MEMORY (2/1)

£40 Win


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MEMORY Won @ 9/4 :)

The last 3 losing stakes of £11 £25 £23 have been recovered plus a £21 profit by MEMORY winning.

Profit £190.86

SR 7/16 (44%)


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SELECTION

3.30 YARMOUTH

CALORMEN (9/4)

£18 Win


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CALORMEN finished 2nd

Profit £172.86

SR 7/17 (41%)


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SELECTION

4.15 YORK

SINGAPORE LILLY

£20 Win @ SP


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SINGAPORE LILLY Won @ 3/1

Yesterdays stake of £18 recovered plus a nice little race profit of £42 :wiggle:

BANK now stands at £1,232.86

PROFIT £232.86

SR 8/18 (44%)


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SELECTION

2.30 WOLVERHAMPTON

BLACK MOTH

£24 Win @ SP


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BLACK MOTH finished 3rd :butthead:

PROFIT £206.86

SR 8/19 (42%)


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SELECTION

2.45 NEWCASTLE

WIDEZAIN (15/8)

£50 Win


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WIDEZAIN Won @ 15/8 (looked very impressive & did win by a very wide margin)

Yesterdays losing stake of £24 recouped plus a race profit of £48.19 (after a rule 4 of 15p) which cost us £21.56 :censored:

PROFIT £281.10

SR 9/20 (45%)


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[mathare]

Should have gone with one of the BOG bookies and locked in that 15/8 :)

[frontrunner]

I managed to get 3.15 on Betfair a few minutes before the off as my price for it was 5/6 :yikes:

Everything is going in the right direction & it's nice to know that you're taking a interest in what I'm doing Headmaster :)


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Let's hope I can find another winner today at Newmarket :)

SELECTION

2.55 NEWMARKET

MURRAYAAT (85/40)

£20 Win


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MURRAYAAT didn't end up in the winners enclosure :ermmm

Profit £261.10

SR 9/21 (43%)

SELECTION

2.00 GOODWOOD

BELLE ROYALE (11/8)

£40 Win


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BELLE ROYALE Won @ 5/4

Yesterdays loss of £20.00 recovered plus a race profit of £35.00 :thumbs

PROFIT £316.10

SR 10/22 (45%)


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Two horses which I have put up go head to head agaist each other in the 6.25 Bath tonight. They are BLACK MOTH & KOJAK. I am going to side with.....

BLACK MOTH who I feel still has plenty of improvement in him.

£40 Win @ SP


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BLACK MOTH Won @ 5/2 which gives a race profit of £100 :thumbs

PROFIT £416.10

SR 11/23 (48%)


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SELECTION

4.55 YORK

SOVIET SECRET (13/8)

£40 Win


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SOVIET SECRET (2nd)

PROFIT £376.10

SR 11/24 (46%)


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SELECTION

2.15 CARLISLE

NO POPPY (5/2)

£32 Win


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NO POPPY (2nd)

PROFIT £344.10

SP 11/25 (44%)


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The last 2 selections have finished 2nd so here's hoping that todays runner ends up in the winners eclosure tonight :thumbs

SELECTION

7.00 BRIGHTON

BATTLE OF BRITAIN (6/4)

£80 Win


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BATTLE OF BRITAIN (2nd)

PROFIT £264.10

SR 11/26 (42%)


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SELECTION

8.50 CHEPSTOW

AMITY (2/1)

£100 Win


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AMITY was well beaten :mad:

PROFIT £164.10

SR 11/27 (41%)


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SELECTION

EXPRESSIONIST (5/2)

£60 win @ 5/2

£60 win @ SP

Total stake £120


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EXPRESSIONIST lost

PROFIT £44.10

SR 11/28 (39%)


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SELECTION

6.40 CHEPSTOW

MEGA MOUNT (7/4)

£250 Win


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MEGA MOUNT was well beaten :mad:

BANK £794.10

SR 11/29 (38%)


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[frontrunner]

I'm finding winners hard to come by at the moment :doh Let's hope that changes today with all the Bank going on one horse at Wolverhampton of all places :splapme

4.15 WOLVERHAMPTON

BATTLE OF HONOUR (13/8)

£794.10 win @ SP


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[Godspot]

Fascinating! Especially as the 10l's 4th to Afsare won yesterday too.

Only you can get 7/4 & 2/s on Betfair now, would seem on the drift as money comes for the Balding horse...

Bizarre staking - does that mean you're confident or quitting if it loses?

[frontrunner]

It's the end of the road for me :thumbs

I would like to thank those of you have shown interest in this thread.

Everything was going so well for a while then it all went pearshaped. I finished with a respectable strike rate of 37% despite losing the FANTASY (remember that) £1,000.

BANK - £1,000

SR 11/30 (37%)

bye for now


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[relaymandotcom]

I have had some success on my site today with a 9/1 relay and one from Pricewise at 13/2, i have subscribed to many of these paid for services and am finding that not very many are giving value for money, hence what i am doing for all

[relaymandotcom]

It ALWAYS does seem to go pearshaped doesnt it ?

[Godspot]

It's the end of the road for me :thumbs


Can I take this over? Like the title & shame to lose a thread?

But while I'm supposed to be concentrating on h'caps I often see things worth a go in maiden races & while I do like H Cecil first time out I think his runner in the first at Nottingham is a little short & would have to be something pretty special to turn over:

Notts 2.05

Catalinas Diamond 6/4 Win but we'll count at SP

Start again with a £1000 - £50 Win or £25 EW

[frontrunner]

Of course you can take over the thread with my Blessings Young GRASSHOPPER :thumbs

Good luck with it & I'll be watching with interest :smile:


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[Godspot]

Of course you can take over the thread with my Blessings Young GRASSHOPPER :thumbs

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Cheer FR - & hopefully, we can do better than that! Down £50

Bank: £950

Typical Cecil debutant, taking a walk & then wins nicely, ra ra ra

[Godspot]

Think what I'll do here - if this one loses & the bank goes down to £900 is then reduce the stakes to £30 Win or £15 EW but for now....

£25 EW Hills go 20/s 365 12/s

7.20 Ling

Tullius

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Bit of a disappointment that one - ended up 33/s & nearer last than first. Let's hope this Barq in the 4.45 @ Yarmouth can do better - £30 Win

[Godspot]

H'mm, got the favourite bt & then get bt ourselves, lost by a head or smth, anyway...

2.00 Ling

Reckon the favourite is opposable & hope

So Choosy, can do it, £30 Win

If that by some miracle should win, I'll go £15 EW on Drummer Boy in the next but only if! A bit speculative & one of the stable's runners let me down t'other day, so only if So Choosy wins, tavm

[Godspot]

So, down to £840

What we'll do I think is put £20 ew

Red Lite 6.10 Windsor

If that loses then we'll go £20 W & £10 ew

[Godspot]

So, down to £840

What we'll do I think is put £20 ew

Red Lite 6.10 Windsor



3rd @ 10/s so £860

Today we'll go £15 ew

Tiberius Claudius(Ire)

5.40 Windsor

[Godspot]

May as well take it down to £800 - I can see another whose stats compared to price look a bit of value so we'll go another £15 ew

Fear Factor(Ire)

7.40 Windsor

[Godspot]

Down to £800, dreadful stuff - so we'll go £20 Win £10 ew for a bit & we'll start off with EW

Bouggatti

1.45 NewmJ

I gone bog 50/s but certainly wont mind if it drifts a bit!

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2.00 NewmR

One fair maiden alright - I won't mind if the favourite wins - I have already backed the horse that beat him last time Picture Editor for the Derby but I think he's not worth his odds - a few newcomers to consider too, least of all Lordofthehouse, described as 'hard as nails & will be well worth waiting for' by his trainer but one I like who should be plugging on come the end

Knightly Escapade EW

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Going to start again 1000 on this - have stumbled on a no figures based system worth trying to see if still profitable - due a loser after two straight winners but would like to keep a record of qualifiers somewhere - here'll do:

3.10 Warw - Kyllaise 30 W

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970 as a loser yesterday & looks another today opposing this Signifier thing but a qualifier none the less:

2.30 Bath That's Dangerous 30 W

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4.00 Asc

North Star Boy 20 W

is a qualifier but short price, I'm having a saver on my top rated:

Liebesziel 10 W

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944 after that North Star Boy won -

5.50 Ham Devlin 30 W

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914 after that:

6.40 Leic Shere Khan 30 W

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884 after that, placed tho - & looks a similar scenario today:

2.45 Leic Verbeeck 30 W

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Another decent price (16/1) place but still shy of a win down to 854:

2.15 Bev Es Que Love 30 W

4.45 Hayd Farang Kondiew 30 W

[Godspot]

That 6/5 fav winner brings us to 860 -

2.05 Leic

Costa Del Fortune 30 W

3.45 Good

Lethal Force 20 W
Minal 10 W

[Godspot]

Close yesterday but another 60 down to 800 -

Might have to ditch this little system & revert to the figures - coming soon anyway but another poor/weak looking qualifier today:

4.15 Leic Universal 30 W

[Godspot]

No sign of that one - down to 770 - tragic!

Technically speaking - Right Result in the first/6.40 @ Ripon is a qualifier but e's too short for my liking - unless he drifts to 2/1 'ish I won't be interested - I read something yesterday which explains why I wont be bothering:

"If you are willing to accept missing the occasional short-priced winner, you will never have to suffer the pain of another short-priced loser".

Unknown?

[Godspot]

Can't be doing that Winter's Hill in the first @ Hamilton 2.10 - a qualifier but

Nearly A Gift is well clear on my figures & there are a couple of likely debutants...

[Godspot]

We'll have a small 5 EW on

Royal Reason - 4.50 Newbury, I went BOG 50/s

[Godspot]

Down to 760 -

Think I'll be ditching this little system if

2.00 Sand - Special Boy 30 W

don't win, SR terrible so far & I got better things to be doing...