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[Win2Win]

14 Dead in a Nimrod crash, report out today, and what are the politicians doing in the House of Commons? Having a go at each other over a few grand given to party. Worse than kids.

How come none of them are standing up asking for investigations into where the missing Billions are in European politics? Oh yeah.....they can't do that they've all got there little fingers in the pie :rolleyes:

War about to start again in the Balkans......Genicide in Darfur....Mass murder in Zimbabwe.......but oh no.....£1300 is more important :splapme

ALL OF YOU POLITICIANS.....WAKE UP :icon_tong :icon_tong :icon_tong

[tovarich]

Come back Guy Fawkes --- all is forgiven!

[davidsteel]

How come none of them are standing up asking for investigations into where the missing Billions are in European politics?....Chirac had it all......

[Win2Win]

Jesus the Teddy Bear gambled it away.

[davidsteel]

14 Dead in a Nimrod crash, report out today, and what are the politicians doing in the House of Commons? Having a go at each other over a few grand given to party. Worse than kids.

How come none of them are standing up asking for investigations into where the missing Billions are in European politics? Oh yeah.....they can't do that they've all got there little fingers in the pie :rolleyes:

War about to start again in the Balkans......Genicide in Darfur....Mass murder in Zimbabwe.......but oh no.....£1300 is more important :splapme

ALL OF YOU POLITICIANS.....WAKE UP :icon_tong :icon_tong :icon_tong


Jesus the Teddy Bear gambled it away.


on Thommos hotline...

[tophatter]

It is ridiculous I agree.

I cant particulary blame the opposition as thats their job. This is all the Labour parties fault for bring in legislation that does absolutley nothing to nail real dodgy going ons.

To be honest if someone wants to waste their money giving it to a political party to spend on propaganda then I think they should be allowed to do so without having to go public on it. Labour made this mess for themselves by bringing in unecessary laws whilst at the same time making themselves more reliant on raising money from individuals by alienating their membership.

Political parties need money and money and politics will always lead to accusations of sleaze when you have to go and get it from people in big lumps. Deep down they all wish this legislation did not exist but it was brought in for political reasons and therefore no one can blame Cameron and Cable for using it to their advantage. Make no mistake though this is a politicical issue rather than an ethical one. I have no sympathy for Labour on this as it was a tatic they used against the Tories for many years.

[Onlyforfun]

All I can say is it was the present Govt that brought in the current rules that they have been caught flouting twice now, in the case of "cash for honours" they may not have broken the letter of the law, but certainly the spirit.

Now, surprise, surprise "We need new regulations". Ever the battle cry of the cringing morons in charge at the moment, rather than enforce the current, adequate rules, let's make some more!

Kids under 16 smoking, raise the age they can buy to 18 - rather than enforce the 16 limit.

School leavers have no qualifications when they leave at 16, make them stay until 18 - rather than getting a grip on the teachers who are so evidently failing.

Gazzumping a problem? Bring in completely useless HIPS - rather than enforce contract law so that when an offer is made it is binding.

Infantry in Afghanistan and Iraq stretched and undersupplied, RAF flying unsafe planes? Buy a couple of aircraft carriers for £13 billion, Typhoons for £20 billion and some Tomohawk nuclear subs while you are at it. - rather than make a simple decision on which vehicle to buy to stop squaddies getting bits blown off them using inadequate Land Rovers, or maybe procuring enough helicopters to use in Afganistan / Iraq, or even getting the bloody housing sorted for when the poor sods get home.

And on, and on, and on.

[Win2Win]

.....or even getting the bloody housing sorted for when the poor sods get home.....

That bit was just as much a problem after the Falklands, as it is now, as I was involved with it all in the 80's. Same policy as the yanks for any government, once you are injured you are worthless to the defence of the country.

[davidsteel]

School leavers have no qualifications when they leave at 16, make them stay until 18 - rather than getting a grip on the teachers who are so evidently failing.

Much as i agree with what you state , if you think that its the teachers who are failing the pupils than i'm afraid you are delusional at best, you'll find i think that the parents are the accountable ones on this score..

teachers now days are not much more than crowd control , hardly why they entered the profession..

[Onlyforfun]

:splapme

So if a kid can go to school for 11 years and come out illiterate and innumerate (for all the teachers out there that means they can't read, write or count) that's not the teacher's fault?

Is the issue just discipline? If so, why not do something about it, they are happy to strike over pay and holidays, curriculums etc so why not over discipline?

[Win2Win]

It's both parents & teachers, a lot of teachers couldn't care less these days, as they think they are under paid for doing 1/2 a days work for 8 months of the year!!

And how many parents sit down with the kids every day and read with them? Not many I'll bet. I always did with mine, they may be thick, but at least they can read :laugh

[davidsteel]

Discilpline starts at home not in school, teachers are there to guess what begins with a t ends in h not act as policemen as is what ends up happening so, while the teacher is trying top sort out the trouble makers the kids who want to learn are missing out because the teacher is spending most of their time sorting out the idiots.

You usually find the parents of the illiterate kids are normally illiterate too and were also trouble makers at school...

[Onlyforfun]

All I can say is it was the present Govt that brought in the current rules that they have been caught flouting twice now, in the case of "cash for honours" they may not have broken the letter of the law, but certainly the spirit.

Now, surprise, surprise "We need new regulations". Ever the battle cry of the cringing morons in charge at the moment, rather than enforce the current, adequate rules, let's make some more!

Kids under 16 smoking, raise the age they can buy to 18 - rather than enforce the 16 limit.

School leavers have no qualifications when they leave at 16, make them stay until 18 - rather than getting a grip on the teachers who are so evidently failing.

Gazzumping a problem? Bring in completely useless HIPS - rather than enforce contract law so that when an offer is made it is binding.

Infantry in Afghanistan and Iraq stretched and undersupplied, RAF flying unsafe planes? Buy a couple of aircraft carriers for £13 billion, Typhoons for £20 billion and some Tomohawk nuclear subs while you are at it. - rather than make a simple decision on which vehicle to buy to stop squaddies getting bits blown off them using inadequate Land Rovers, or maybe procuring enough helicopters to use in Afganistan / Iraq, or even getting the bloody housing sorted for when the poor sods get home.

And on, and on, and on.

Well, I was backed up by Sir Gerry Robinson on "Can Gerry Robinson Fix the NHS" last night. As he put it, the present mob "have only ever made policy, never manged" and that new policies are showered on the NHS like confetti, often conflicting previous ones and always to be implemented on a 1 size fits all manner.

Was a great example in Rotherham of a new £12 million "polyclinic" being set up 2 miles from the general hospital and the only additional service it will provide is a drop in service for people feeling a "bit iffy" (the local Primary Care Trust Manager's exact words), and all because the new policy is to send the NHS "into the community".

On top of that, the hospital would be left with mostly serious and therefore expensive cases. But wouldn't that be a good thing, allowing them to concentrate on those, but, it transpires their A&E get paid per patient and the simple ones are necessary to help fund 24 hour cover.

You couldn't make it up!