Axl Rose at Reading/Leeds

[scoobydoo]

Rock & Roll or just a :icon_tong...anyone any views?

[bigcumba]

He's a waste of space.. his voice is shot, and he's on planet fecknowswhere.. the band are a joke, to me Slash is the spirit of GNR, and should have the name.. sad thing is, I do love the albums, even Chinese Democracy is very good, though not quite worth the wait.

[scoobydoo]

He's a waste of space.. his voice is shot, and he's on planet fecknowswhere.. the band are a joke, to me Slash is the spirit of GNR, and should have the name.. sad thing is, I do love the albums, even Chinese Democracy is very good, though not quite worth the wait.

I watched the highlights yesterday on the BBC reading site and it was like watching a tribute band to me. His voice didn't sound that great tbh. What got me is that a number of the members look like clones of the original line-up, but there will only be one Slash yes. It is sad that he continues to take the piss out of the fans.

[lowe1]

Slash autobiography is a great read and gives a good insight into the G'N'R split. Every member apart from Rose of G'N'R now talk and feature on one anothers albums, shame he is such a :ass2 as it would be a fantastic reunion but because of him will never happen

[scoobydoo]

I really will have to have a better listen to Chinese Democracy now, will later. I can remember when Appetite came out in '87 and just being blown away at how good it was for a first album, the quality of the songs are amazing imo. I'm still not sure what Slash did to Axl to make him despise him so much, do you know Tony...does the book say anything?

[lowe1]

Slash blames it on Axl being a control freak going of my memory after the first album the band would record the songs for Use your illusion without axl then the recordings would be sent to a different studio where Axl would pull them to bits and change eveything. also Slash hated the way Axl treated Addler without consulting any of the band. Big musical differences as well as Slash hated the ballads direction and wanted just a blues band. Axl lost control of the band near the end and hated the glory Slash was getting.

Well worth a read

[scoobydoo]

Might have to read that then. Addler was sacked for drugs wasn't he, allegedly? I can remember years ago Axl's feud with Warren Beatty...bet he has fallen out with everyone about him at some point in his life. I know we are all getting older but he sort of looked like Axl's old man on Sunday, not that I have ever seen him like.:doh

[lowe1]

Yeah he was sacked for drugs but if i remember right from the book Slash says Axl and his laywer got Adler to sign a document when he was out of his head saying he would get no royalties once he left the band or something like that enventually Adler in a straight and sober period took him to court and won millions. Slash wanted to help Adler with rehab and not totally sack him

This is all from memory after reading the book so dont quote me :laugh:laugh

Also the song rocket queen well the background noise is actually Axl and his girlfriend having sex in the studio :yikes:

[mathare]

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Slash's book is well worth reading :thumbs

[lowe1]

I used to have your blog saved to fav's mate but on my old laptop now subscribed :thumbs

I'm a big reader of books as well and read about 2 a month, on i reccomend to you is this

http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch.detail?invid=10102969965&keyword=ascend+the+nile&qwork=14870861&qsort=&page=1

Fantastic read but the book is it bit hard to find in the UK , i ordered mine frm the USA through alibris USA site

[mathare]

That sounds good that book Tony, I might have to order myself a copy. I'm currently in the process of selecting books for a 10-day break in Spain so that could make the list

[scoobydoo]

That sounds good that book Tony, I might have to order myself a copy. I'm currently in the process of selecting books for a 10-day break in Spain so that could make the list

they have interweb where you're off Mat? :yikes::biggrin:

[scoobydoo]

Also the song rocket queen well the background noise is actually Axl and his girlfriend having sex in the studio :yikes:

Actually I have a feeling it was Slash with her, it would explain a lot more eh.

[lowe1]

Just googled it as i was sure Slash said it was Axl

Rose brought a woman named Adriana Smith to the studio and had sex with her so that the sounds that Smith made could be recorded and put over the bridge of the song. Steve Thompson, an engineer of the album, said:

Axl wanted some pornographic sounds on Rocket Queen, so he brought a girl in and they had sex in the studio. We wound up recording about 30 minutes of sex noises. If you listen to the break on Rocket Queen it's in there

[scoobydoo]

I was being a :icon_tong Tony it's OK. :smile: I too heard it was Axl although you can bet he was late turning up to meet her. :rolleyes:

[lowe1]

:laugh:laugh Sorry mate didn't realise

[mathare]

they have interweb where you're off Mat? :yikes::biggrin:

They most certainly do, and I'll be taking the laptop with me :thumbs

[scoobydoo]

They most certainly do, and I'll be taking the laptop with me :thumbs

Nice one. So blog will be updated then yes? :smile:

[mathare]

Nice one. So blog will be updated then yes? :smile:The plan is for everything to operate as normal. Not sure the missus is too impressed with this plan but never mind :wink:

[scoobydoo]

The plan is for everything to operate as normal. Not sure the missus is too impressed with this plan but never mind :wink:

Do you have a 'time allowance', like with your mobile minutes? :laugh

[mathare]

Do you have a 'time allowance', like with your mobile minutes? :laugh

You don't know how close to the truth that is :yikes:

[TooTall]

He's a waste of space.. his voice is shot, and he's on planet fecknowswhere.. the band are a joke, to me Slash is the spirit of GNR, and should have the name.. sad thing is, I do love the albums, even Chinese Democracy is very good, though not quite worth the wait.

Is his voice shot or is it just that he cant be:ass2 I went to see Guns n Roses 4 years ago in birmingham the week before my mate seen then in newcastle and said he was awful hour and half late and spent more time changing his clothes than singing. When we went he started bang on time played for nearly 4 hours :yikes: and was joined half way through by Izzy was possibly the best concert ive been to.

[bigcumba]

Any reports I've heard are certainly saying he just can't hit the notes, and that his voice doesn't sound quite natural, like it's being 'helped' by something... he probably can't be arsed either though!

[ScotsDave]

I was "lucky" enough to get tickets to their gig at the great Hammersmith Apollo back in 2006 and it was a shambles - nearly two hours late coming on, during which the crowd got very restless, and then they were terrible when they appeared (they had THREE guitar players and TWO keyboard players, which is crazy considering how good they were as a five piece back in the Slash days).

It was such an insult to be late not only for the fans but for such a great venue, and showed he had no idea about London - coming on less than an hour before the tube closes showed a real lack of respect for the fans (anyone who has lived in London will appreciate the hoops that have to be jumped through to get home post-tube if you live on the other side of the city).

I left during one of the guitar player's solos (Wayne played better in the music shop segment of Wayne's World :smile:), during which he had to stop playing and wave his hands to encourage the crowd to show their appreciation, so mediocre was it. Sad to see still he hasn't learned that the fans who turn up to see him are deserving of some consideration.

[scoobydoo]

I have heard tonight they played in Ireland, turned up 2 hours late and only played 5 songs, don't know how true this is though.

[Laf]

I have heard tonight they played in Ireland, turned up 2 hours late and only played 5 songs, don't know how true this is though.

I've just arrived home from this gig. They played a full set. Wasn't without incident though!! Will post more tomorrow.

[scoobydoo]

I've just arrived home from this gig. They played a full set. Wasn't without incident though!! Will post more tomorrow.

Please do Laf. They must have been 'rumours' then.

[lowe1]

Looks like at was a incident filled night :laugh

http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?nItemID=36171

[scoobydoo]

Unbelievable...how dare the crowd be annoyed after a small delay. :laugh

[Laf]

Here's how it went from my point of view. I arrived at the O2 at about 8.30, the support act were on stage at the time. They finished at about 9.10 and I believe GnR were due on at 9.45. Not surprisingly, it was even later than this when they finally came on stage, about 10.25. Plenty people in the venue were pee'd off at this stage and let their feelings known by booing.

They kicked off with Chinese Democracy. The booing continued for a bit and I saw plastic bottles and cups being thrown in the direction of the stage with one or two making their way on to the stage. My immediate thoughts were 'this is going to end badly'. There seemed to me to be sound issues during the opening song. Axl's voice was only barely audible which I'd say was down to sound levels more so than his voice. DJ Ashba then kicked off Welcome To The Jungle in the usual way, playing a couple of notes from the opening riff, hands to the ears etc., in order to get the crowd going. This was met with a lot of heat from the crowd, more boos and more cups being thrown. Axl called a halt and said something along the lines of "we want to stay and have some fun" and "one more bottle and we go home". They restarted and played a few oldies and then Sorry from Chinese Democracy. At the end of Sorry Axl said something which I didn't quite hear (I think it was “have a good evening”) and then the band walked off stage (this was about 10.50). I didn't see what triggered the walk off but apparently more bottles were thrown at the band.

Minutes were passing and nothing was happening. Then the promoter came out and appealed for people to stop throwing bottles and said they were trying to get the band to come back out. At about 11.20, much to my surprise and delight, they came back out. At this stage I'd say a couple of thousand people had left the arena. I didn’t hear much booing when they came back and nothing was thrown. A couple of songs in and it was clear Axl did not want to be there. There was no interaction from him at all. He was just standing motionless as he sang. They played out the rest of their setlist finishing off with Paradise City and Axl walked off the stage without a word. I left.

My thoughts on the night:
Their late arrival didn't really bother me. It's Axl Rose, he's notorious for it and he's never going to change. I'd rather he was on time but as long as they put on a cracking performance then so be it. If people are going to be that bothered with it, don't go. I expected a bit of heat for the band for being late on stage but I was shocked at the level of heat they received. I was embarrassed and disgusted to see cups and bottles thrown at them. It was the act of scumbags. I don't blame them for walking off. I'd probably have done the same.

When they did finally restart, Axl's attitude stank! Apparently he was prevented from leaving the venue by the promoter. I imagine he received all sorts of legal threats. It was obvious he didn't want to be there. As a result, neither did I. I didn't feel compelled to sing or clap. I turned to one of my mates who looked as disinterested as me and said "I wish he hadn't bothered coming back out". He agreed.

I felt sorry for the rest of the band. They are a seriously talented bunch of musicians and they gave it their all but were let down by Axl. I must say, once the early sound issues were sorted Axl's voice sounded amazing, as good as I've ever heard it. It’s annoying as it really could have been an amazing gig, even after the walk off. If only Axl had realised the other idiots had gone home and the ones who stayed deserved to see and hear the best he had to offer instead of a half-assed effort.

I'm a lifelong Guns n' Roses fan. They're my favourite band. Appetite For Destruction is my favourite album. Estranged is my favourite song. I’m disappointed with what happened and I will probably never see GnR live again. At least we still have Slash and hopefully a Velvet Revolver return next year.:thumbs

[scoobydoo]

Thanks to Tony for posting link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLUUQdqA0I&feature=player_embedded

[bigcumba]

I'd say from the video, Axl handled that pretty well.. and to some extent I can understand his attitude when he came back on..

[scoobydoo]

Thanks for giving your thoughts on what happened Laf, very interesting. It is basically all about respect isn't it. I just don't get why he is so constantly late for shows.

[mathare]

It is basically all about respect isn't it.And it has to be two-way respect. The band (OK, Axl) has to respect the audience and the fact they have paid their money to come to see the band so they deserve a proper performance. The fans have their right to make their opinions known I guess but there are ways in which it should be done, and chucking bottles etc isn't it. It does sound like Axl hasn't really helped things this tour though.

[TooTall]

Thanks for giving your thoughts on what happened Laf, very interesting. It is basically all about respect isn't it. I just don't get why he is so constantly late for shows.

He always has been late to be fair its almost a trademark of his thats one thing that will never change its just being highlighted more at the moment because of Reading and Leeds

[TooTall]

:yikes: the missus has just told me she brought me tickets to see them in birmingham later this year was meant to be my birthday treat. Axle has 2 months to sort himself out :laugh

[scoobydoo]

And it has to be two-way respect. The band (OK, Axl) has to respect the audience and the fact they have paid their money to come to see the band so they deserve a proper performance. The fans have their right to make their opinions known I guess but there are ways in which it should be done, and chucking bottles etc isn't it. It does sound like Axl hasn't really helped things this tour though. Yeah I agree with this totally, I wouldn't myself have thrown stuff or even have booed but I am an old fart these days. I don't condone what they did at all but young kids can get angry. He is lucky there wasn't piss in one of the bottles, maybe there was! :smile:


He always has been late to be fair its almost a trademark of his thats one thing that will never change its just being highlighted more at the moment because of Reading and Leeds Yes I guess you know what you are letting yourself in for but when it turns his fans against him, maybe he needs to think a bit more. He won't but maybe he should.


:yikes: the missus has just told me she brought me tickets to see them in birmingham later this year was meant to be my birthday treat. Axle has 2 months to sort himself out :laugh I am sure he will tt, just for you.:biggrin: