Monuments to Stupidity

[Win2Win]

The Falklands! In a gross piece of incompetence (or was it deliberate?) fails to avert the Falklands crisis by ignoring intelligence

...and Blair didn't ignore the intelligence and look where that got us!

[bigmazey]

Oh! Dont get me started on Blair as well.This thread will go on forever............

[Win2Win]

5. Destruction of local democracy.

Democracy isn't the democracy the West tries and makes us believe....It is a vote we get to put a load of spoon fed, in-bred, goof-balls in a job, and then they do what the hell they like without even looking in on us.

Britain is now probably closer to communism than democracy.

[Onlyforfun]

Got to resurrect this thread I'm afraid:

7- On the news last night they were talking about the boxer who got shot. Now I have no opinion on what sort of man he was, I didn't even know he existed, but bear in mind he won a few boxing titles. Quote from "a friend" - "He was a gentle giant, there wasn't a violent bone in his body".

I'm sure wherever he is that he's pleased his friends took so much time to come up with an apt tribute. :splapme

8- Gordon Brown on the news talking (and smiling!) about the electricity sub-station that was nearly switched off "I was personally involved in teh relief effort until 11 o'clock, no make that midnight." Filling sandbags were you Gordon? Have you noticed that since the evil one became PM it has done nothing but rain, forget Global Warming, the antichrist is in charge.

Honourable mention to David Camerons "We are all in this together, the Rwandans and the flood victims"

[Win2Win]

Sanbags.....when will folk realise they are USELESS for sustained flooding.....they are porous, and bit of the old bath sealant, and the window foam around the inside & outside of the door will keep a few inches at bay.

[sparkyminer]

Live at the top of a hill, like what I do.:)

[Win2Win]

If ever I get flooded, that mean Manchester is a few hundred feet under water........so some good things can happen :D

[Onlyforfun]

I knew there was another one!

9- Wife recently received a friends email from Facebook from one of her best friends at University who has been shall we say lax about keeping in touch, saying "now we can keep in touch properly". In the age of the email, telephone, text message and last time I looked the Royal Mail still occasionaly manages to deliver letters in the same epoch from which they were sent. But Facebook suddenly provides the antidote to laziness???

[Onlyforfun]

P.S. - not content with making it rain and flooding large swathes of England (Scottish conspiracy according to my wife), Gordon Brown has reversed casino legislation, tried to tighten the drugs laws and is thinking about scrapping opening hours extensions. No wonder he smiles so much. There is nobody happier than a Calvinist Scot intent on banning all frivolity and amusement.

[tophatter]

I would be smiling if I was him too OFF watching Cameron make a right pigs ear of things. He has looked even more feeble than even Brown could have hoped for. At the moment with a relativley new cabinet and no Tony Blair and a Tory party aalmost deviod of personality led by what looks like a lost little boy in charge, Brown looks like a giant in political terms. It could not have worked out better for him.

The only Tory who has even come close to impressing in recent weeks in my view is David Davies and I bet many a conservative wish they could have that leadership election again. They have managed yet again to elect the wrong leader. He would have been a good spin doctor ala Mandleson working the press and doing the PR but a future Prime Minister? Now that is a monument to stupidity! :)

[Merlin]

"I think he's got all the qualities to be a great prime minister and a great socialist prime minister and we haven't had that for a quite a long time.

"He'll take with him a knowledge and an understanding of the Labour Party which our recent leader [Tony Blair] didn't have.

"That doesn't mean to say that he is going to do everything we on the left would like - he'll do as much as he possibly can".

94 year old ,Michael foot, on Gordon Brown...

[Win2Win]

David Davies was on Talksport last week, and seemed to be talking sense .....so no wonder they didn't vote him in :)

Only thing is, about half of the ideas he mentioned, Gordon Brown has announced!!!

[Onlyforfun]

Funny how perceptions are different, almost everyone I know sees Broon as forever the bridesmaid, never the bride, he was no.2 for so long that it is difficult to see him as a leader.

If what Foot says is true, he won't last.

[Win2Win]

I like the way for years he told Blair no spare money around....while he stashed Billions away while he was in power :)

[Onlyforfun]

10- Todays villain is Nick Lester - Director of Transport at London Councils who reckons that councils have a better record of enforcement of minor traffic infringments than the police as 12 London Councils he represents dished out 396,000 penalties in 1 year for driving into box junctions and the like.

Hello??? 396,000 penalties??? Yeah, it really seems like they've solved the problem, doesn't it. The fact that people committed so many infringements suggests that while they are better at "catching" these dastardly people (probably often caught out by strange road markings where box juctions extend for 20 yards or so into the continuing street as in certain spots in Lambeth) the decriminalisation of minor offences whereby a penalty charge is levied with no penalty points, suggests that people are more likely to break a minor law if there is no expectatin of significant punishment. You can rack up as many infringements as you like without fear of losing your license.

Something similar to the Swedish nursery experiment detailed in the excellent Freakonomics whereby punishing people with a small fine led to an increase in transgressions as they see the fine as payment to be allowed to break inconvenient rules. A sense of personal responsibility and empathy is essential in lowering teh numbers of minor infringements, but the Police and councils seem to be doing all they can to frustrate and annoy road users leading to widespread "thumbing of the nose" at their petty powers "you can fine me, but you can't stop me"!

[buddhabee]

"I think he's got all the qualities to be a great prime minister and a great socialist prime minister and we haven't had that for a quite a long time.

"He'll take with him a knowledge and an understanding of the Labour Party which our recent leader [Tony Blair] didn't have.

"That doesn't mean to say that he is going to do everything we on the left would like - he'll do as much as he possibly can".

94 year old ,Michael foot, on Gordon Brown...

It's unfortunate that we had to suffer 10 years of Blair when someone who actually is a Socialist was living next door. He's made a good start repairing the damage Blair presided over. Getting rid of that damned casino in the deprived area of Manchester has restored some of my faith in the Labour party.

[tophatter]

My perception of Brown has never changed, you dont be chancellor for 10 years, see off half a dozen or more shadow chancellors without having a glove layed on you and sieze the leadership of the labour party and the premiership unopposed unless you are a very big politician.

The Tories has spent two years bigging up Blair because they knew it would be Brown they would be fighting with at the next election and the byproduct of that was that they lowered peoples expectations of Brown. It was easy for Cameron to tweak the tail of Brown and then run and hide behind Blair but now Brown is the daddy and he is a nice contrast to Cameron. The truth is the tories were absolutley in awe of Blair and they have lumbered themselves with their own (vastly inferior) version of him. Unfortunatley he is nowhere near as politically smart as Blair was and they have believed the silly fairytale they spun that Brown would be lost without Blair. So when people are eager for a change who do they perceive is the bigger change from Blair?

The tories have fouled up yet again and they will now at some point self implode as they suddenly realise they have picked a dud yet again. Cameron cant change now as it will look silly and he has to believe in the Blair project. His party will argue amongst themselves and lose the next election. So not only will Brown have been a chancellor for 10 years he will be a prime minister who wins labour a fourth term and someone who has been a big player in the Labour party for 20 years. If the Tories only form of attack is to wait for him to make mistakes then they should have picked a heavyweight to land the punches when those mistakes occured not a wet, etonion lightweight toff who probably does politics as a hobby rather than lives and breathes it like Brown.

[Merlin]

If what Foot says is true, he won't last.

He clearly (or maybe not so clearly) has a lot of Eric Hobsbawm influence.....However, not to worry, because his calvinistic roots will ensure that usury and capitalism both thrive

[Merlin]

The tories have fouled up yet again and they will now at some point self implode as they suddenly realise they have picked a dud yet again.

If the Tories only form of attack is to wait for him to make mistakes then they should have picked a heavyweight to land the punches when those mistakes occured not a wet, etonion lightweight toff who probably does politics as a hobby rather than lives and breathes it like Brown.

Dont think Brown will be making many early mistakes....He has had a decade to plan for this moment...

I hope that his principles/ideas which seem to favour Subsidiarity are carried through and he decentralizes as much power as he can get away with - ......

[Onlyforfun]

I like the way for years he told Blair no spare money around....while he stashed Billions away while he was in power :)

Hmm, the top of the economic cycle, London the powerhouse of international finance, record tax receipts and yet we are running a £20-40 billion year deficit. Where are these missing billions? Who is going to pay back what we owe? Will Western governments be tempted to encourage to service these debts by confiscating the wealth of the population through inflation rather than tax? And if you want the answer to the last question just look at the headline CPI inflation figure and its manipulation over the last 20 years, the quiet expiry of M3 reporting and on and on leading to artificially low interest rates.

[Onlyforfun]

My perception of Brown has never changed, you dont be chancellor for 10 years, see off half a dozen or more shadow chancellors without having a glove layed on you and sieze the leadership of the labour party and the premiership unopposed unless you are a very big politician.

Siezed? Blair took it off him and kept it to himself for over a decade and Brown didn't have the bottle to seize anything. Labour merely suffered for a lack of an alternative to Brown. Hilary Benn? Ed Millibland? Don't make me laugh.

wet, etonion lightweight toff who probably does politics as a hobby rather than lives and breathes it like Brown.

Fortunately elections aren't won by the chip on shoulder, so-called working class voter in this day and age, but the ever expanding middle class, who could stomach Blair as one of them, but not Brown (and being a Scot won't help either- bear in mind that he even lost an election to an English Conservative in Scotland in 1979).

[sparkyminer]

Fortunately elections aren't won by the chip on shoulder, so-called working class voter in this day and age,

Steady on there mate.

[Merlin]

The best thing Brown could do is call an earlyish election...with Cameron and the Tories all at sea.....he will piss-it...and probably significantly increase Labour majority...

[Win2Win]

...with Cameron and the Tories all at sea.......

Sailing back to Rwanda in a 'green' boat is he? :)

[tophatter]

Its not us working class chip on shoulder types doing the complaing about cameron is it? Its his own lot.

So you think he is going to win the next general election performing the way he is do you OFF? Just because he is not working class and because he is not Scottish?


Just about sums up for me exactly why the Tories are in the state they are in. They won elections in the 80's because Labour were in a state of denial and were unelectable. The stuff you come out with is a mirror image. So Camerons big achievements are being English and posh and that means more to the electorate than having been the chancellor for 10 years, a Prime Minister and a key member of a party that has won three elections in a row???

You know very well what I was saying when I said Brown siezed the premiership. The fact he was unopposed for the job all politicians aspire to shows just how strong his grip on the party is and he has managed to to take out any opponents in order to become PM. Yes, Blair was Premier before him but as I keep saying Cameron is not in Blairs league and besides been chancellor is hardly a bad position to hold while you wait the chance to sieze power.

You need to forget all this stuff about Brown been scottish as it is a much more sizeable minority than been an old Etonion and I know which one of those groups of people I identify with more. He is a member of the parliament of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, he has been in government for over 10 years and he is leader of the Labour party. The fact he is scottish means absolutley zilch in most peoples book and in any case Cameron even managed to botch that assualt on him and now if he tried it he would just sound ridiculous and sound like something out of the UK independence party, he has thrown everything into getting away from that image. That line of attack has gone, he had to do it early, he bottled it, he flunked it and he looks as lost as a lamb now. Brown has politically butchered him in this first month and all he had in response was some silly trip abroad which was meant to make him look Green, but not the kind of green he ended up looking. What kind of a leader tries a pathetic kind of spin like that when he should be at home steaming into a new opponent? Brown has started the job, he will now sit back and chuckle while the bitter old right wing in the tory party finish it off!

[Merlin]

Agree, about the Scottish bit...think there have been at least 5 and half(the half being BONAR LAW..who was born in Canada)...Scottish Prime Ministers during the last 100 years......

[Onlyforfun]

11- Today we have the wonderful Battersea Council. They have a half decent adventure playground in Battersea Park (not nearly as good as the ones you'll find in Dalkeith or Galloway Forest Park though). Great so far, it is even supervised!!!

Now the bad side, the big sign saying "we will respect you whatever your ethnicity, gender or sexuality." This is for kids from 3-12 ffs. How many gay 3 year olds do you know??? (Merlin need not respond in case of incriminating himself - now illegal in the UK, but not on W2W :D)

[Onlyforfun]

12- There may have been 5.5 Scottish PM's, but that was before Scotland had it's own Parliament.

[Onlyforfun]

13- Those who obviously think I care about, or want to hear about their opinions, when I already know I am right.

[Win2Win]

We are told people are born gay, it is not a choice, so you can have gay 3yo's.....they are just not 'at it' yet