Turbo lays question

[Win2Win]

No difference in time of year, nothing out of the ordinary at the moment that hasn't happened a few times in the past.

[ProPocer]

Looking at the original post in the turbo lay thread and seeing how many points it made every year, I find the numbers quite incredible. You say it's way harder to find a profitable laying system than a backing one. Looking at those figures I'd beg to differ. Well, alright, maybe in terms of the different numbers of systems perhaps, but in terms of pts made per system then 300-500pts in one year smashes every backing system into the weeds!

May I ask what software you use to back check these laying systems? Was it RSB (I think that's what it's called) or is there better stuff out there these days? Also, how are you working out the pts profit from the results churned out? Presuming the software isn't so awesome that it does that for you?!

[Win2Win]

I develop systems, paper trade them, then hard cash, if they do what they are supposed to then I consider giving the information out on here. I do not backfit systems as other do, it is easily researching systems without backfitting once you know what you are doing.

RSB vanished a couple of years ago, but I still use its past data for researching. I also use Raceform & Proform.

When I talk about a system/method being better than another I always refer to the ROI% (return on investment). Win betting always has a much higher ROI% than laying which rarely breaks 2%, while a Win system can have over a 20% ROI. The reason the Turbo Lays look better is just down to the turnover.

[ProPocer]

So the reason you have this data:

List 1 (SR 88%):
Average win odds: 5.5
2008: +356
2009: + 299
2010: + 211

List 2 (SR 82%):
Average win odds: 4.2
2008: +390
2009: + 813
2010: + 666

List 3 (SR 85%):
Average win odds: 6.1
2008: +218
2009: + 593
2010: + 572...

is because you've been trialling them this long and have made almost 5000pts????

[Win2Win]

I've made a lot more than that from everything I do

[ProPocer]

But you can still test your rules on past results surely with proform?? Yeh you know what you're doing but still, the chances of coming out with something great without anyway of checking history seems pretty insane

And if you've made that many points then you must be a millionaire by now

[Win2Win]

And if you've made that many points then you must be a millionaire by now

You should see the commission charges in that time

You test the systems on back results, but if it fails you scrap it, you don't make it 'fit' the results as I see a lot of sellers doing with Forex systems

[ProPocer]

What would you say is the absolute MOST money you can get on a lay at the cut-off right before the race?

[Win2Win]

What would you say is the absolute MOST money you can get on a lay at the cut-off right before the race?

That depends on what day it is and the type of race, but even on the worst day and the worst race you can still get a few grand on as long as you put it on in bits, which is what the bookies do.

[ProPocer]

A grand per point would be like 1.6m profit in the last 12 months

[Win2Win]

A grand per point would be like 1.6m profit in the last 12 months

...and a big wad in commission

[ProPocer]

Which we couldn't care less about

[Win2Win]

Which we couldn't care less about

That's the idea .... but Rangers thought that about the Tax and look what happened