Win2Win Systems Chat & Results

[Win2Win]

I think most folk have made a good bundle from the lay systems this year.

[jonahjones]

I think a special mention has to go to the "First Timer" system as today it produced a winner on which I was matched at 9.6 but which I saw go as high as 11.5 before the off. :)

[Laf]

System Banker isn't performing too badly either. Had a nice 9/1 winner on Tuesday. My bank has more than doubled since the start of November. I'm using a 3% staking plan instead of the software though as I often can't get to a pc during racing.

[Win2Win]

System Banker isn't performing too badly either. Had a nice 9/1 winner on Tuesday. My bank has more than doubled since the start of November. I'm using a 3% staking plan instead of the software though as I often can't get to a pc during racing.

Between using the software, and a straight 3% starting with £200 from the first bet (Nearly 2 years), it would now be closing in on £20,000, however I have added funds to the bank over that time, so it is a few quid more. :wink

[Laf]

Keith, I noticed on the results page for the W2W lays you have Three Thieves and Formidable Guest listed. Were these not System Banker selections yesterday?

[Win2Win]

Keith, I noticed on the results page for the W2W lays you have Three Thieves and Formidable Guest listed. Were these not System Banker selections yesterday?

I had a bit of a hiccup with the database, need to look into it today, but they were actually lays :splapme....the problem actually meant folk missed a W2W Lay winner , so lucky for some, and not others, although the System Bankers have been going so well, 2 cockups make little difference long term.

[jonahjones]

I started doing these again on the 25th November and I am finally inputting my information into a spreadsheet.

However, I am missing some information for the 3rd and 7th December. On the 3rd, I have backs of Complete Frontline and Wine n Dine and a lay of Balerno and on the 7th I have lays of Piccolo Diamante and Upstairs and a back of Cabernet Sauvignon. I obviously know how I did with these selections through my statement but could anyone please tell me which system they qualified under?

It could be any as I do RFP, JFP, NHPM, Lay'em and both Quickfires.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in anticipation.

[jonahjones]

I started doing these again on the 25th November and I am finally inputting my information into a spreadsheet.

However, I am missing some information for the 3rd and 7th December. On the 3rd, I have backs of Complete Frontline and Wine n Dine and a lay of Balerno and on the 7th I have lays of Piccolo Diamante and Upstairs and a back of Cabernet Sauvignon. I obviously know how I did with these selections through my statement but could anyone please tell me which system they qualified under?

It could be any as I do RFP, JFP, NHPM, Lay'em and both Quickfires.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in anticipation.

If anyone is in a position to do this, I am also missing Bite The Boss, Step It Up, Highland River, Global and Maid of Ailsa from the 10th December and, from the 12th December, Jane Of Arc x 2, Honest John, Garde Champetre, Summer Rose, Vanadium, Megalo Maniac and Smalljohn.

Many thanks once again.

[Laf]

I don't do RFP or the Quickfires and I missed the 7th but I do have the following.........

3rd
Balerno - Lay'em

10th
Highland River, Step It Up, Global - Lay'em

12th
Jane Of Arc, Honest John - JFP
Garde Champetre - NHPM
Summer Rose, Vanadium, Megalo Maniac - Lay'em

[jonahjones]

I don't do RFP or the Quickfires and I missed the 7th but I do have the following.........

3rd
Balerno - Lay'em

10th
Highland River, Step It Up, Global - Lay'em

12th
Jane Of Arc, Honest John - JFP
Garde Champetre - NHPM
Summer Rose, Vanadium, Megalo Maniac - Lay'em

Many thanks Laf, much appreciated.

[marky72]

how come auto-sys didnt update yesterday

[mathare]

how come auto-sys didnt update yesterday

The e-mail pixies didn't deliver the news till around 8pm last night

[jonahjones]

After days and hours of trawling through endless scraps of paper, I have now managed to collate all of the requisite data and put it into a spreadsheet. :)

All systems started 25.11.08 save for W2W Lays which started 17.12.08:-

Jumping For Profit

36 qualifiers - 10 winners - SR 27.78%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £147.11


NHPM

51 qualifiers - 7 winners - SR 86.27%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £205.14


Running For Profit

17 qualifiers - 6 winners - SR 35.29%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £219.14


Lay'em

76 qualifiers - 8 winners - SR 89.47%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £215.02


Claiming Jockey

5 qualifiers - 1 winner - SR 20%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £183.98


First Timer

19 qualifiers - 4 winners - SR 21%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £193.67


Nine or Less

7 qualifiers - 2 winners - SR 28.57%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £189.50


Trainer 3

26 qualifiers - 12 winners - SR 46.15%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £286.87


Ladies Lay

35 qualifiers - 5 winners - SR 85.71%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £202.00


6+Loser

10 qualifiers - 1 winner - SR 10%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £153.35


Mark Johnston

2 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £196.00


Michael Stoute

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00


LTO3

13 qualifiers - 5 winners - SR 38.46%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £221.18


CD Lay

19 qualifiers - 1 winner - SR 94.7%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £216.70


W2W Lays

72 qualifiers - 5 winners - SR 93.10%

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £265.80

[Win2Win]

Flat Quickfire will be given a makeover in the next few weeks. Don't t tell Mat though

[jonahjones]

Results for 02.01.09:-

Jumping For Profit

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £147.11


NHPM

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £205.13


Running For Profit

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £213.14


Lay'em

3 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £220.72


Claiming Jockey

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £183.98


First Timer

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £193.67


Nine or Less

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £183.50


Trainer 3

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £286.87


Ladies Lay

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £202.00


6+Loser

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £153.35


Mark Johnston

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £196.00


Michael Stoute

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00


LTO3

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £215.18


CD Lay

0 qualifiers

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £216.70


W2W Lays

3 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £271.50

[jonahjones]

Results for 03.01.09:-

Running For Profit

2 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £216.73


Lay'em

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £222.62


LTO3

3 qualifiers - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £197.18


CD Lay

2 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £211.50


W2W Lays

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £273.88

No qualifiers for other systems.

[jonahjones]

Results for 04.01.09:-

No qualifiers for any systems.


Results for 05.01.09:-

LTO3

1 qualifier - 0 winners

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £191.18

No qualifiers for any other systems.

[jonahjones]

Results for 06.01.09:-

Lay'em

1 qualifier - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £208.62


No qualifiers for any other systems.

[jonahjones]

Results for 07.01.09:-

Lay'em

7 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £208.32


W2W Lays

2 qualifiers - 1 winner

Starting bank £200.00
Current bank £253.47

No qualifiers for any other systems.

[jasonpariah]

Between using the software, and a straight 3% starting with £200 from the first bet (Nearly 2 years), it would now be closing in on £20,000, however I have added funds to the bank over that time, so it is a few quid more. :wink

Just wondering why "only" the 20K BR at the two year mark.The excel sheet shows a lot more after two years on a 3% staking plan,I take it you were not getting the 10% overbet(if this is the case it shows the difference,that overbet can make).If you were not getting the overbet is this due to backing the runners close to the off,or due to using a bookie?

Also how many selections does this system produce on average a month?

What time of day on average are the selections available on the site?

Wil you consider an ebook on the selection process(similar to your other ebooks),at some time in the future?

Sorry for all the questions but,I am seriously considering adding this system to my portfolio.Which is part of the reason I ask about a possible ebook in the future.

[Win2Win]

Just wondering why "only" the 20K BR at the two year mark.The excel sheet shows a lot more after two years on a 3% staking plan,I take it you were not getting the 10% overbet(if this is the case it shows the difference,that overbet can make).If you were not getting the overbet is this due to backing the runners close to the off,or due to using a bookie?

I've actually followed it on & off due to other committments/projects, and I did say I'd may more ....it actually finished 2008 for me with a very good sprint.

Also how many selections does this system produce on average a month?

About 120+ a month

What time of day on average are the selections available on the site?

Midday

Wil you consider an ebook on the selection process(similar to your other ebooks),at some time in the future?

Not possible as some of the data isn't available to the general public.

Sorry for all the questions but,I am seriously considering adding this system to my portfolio.Which is part of the reason I ask about a possible ebook in the future.

You'd be silly if you didn't :wink

[jasonpariah]

Not possible as some of the data isn't available to the general public.


You'd be silly if you didn't :wink

First point is a shame(from my point),but understandable then.

Second point I was thinking myself after what Ive read and experienced here.I am currently running your NH Quickfire systems and must say I am very impressed with thier performance.

Just one more question if I may though.As I will be working with a 3% staking plan,would it be advisable with a small bank(£1000),to still use the bookie,or use Betfair for the extra value(as the initial stakes are over the Betfair min stake)?Only asking as this was pointed out as an issue if using the software,as its stakes were under the Betfair minimum bet.

[Street cry]

take whichever price is best trust me when i say early bookie prices that are bigger than betfair in the mroning make ahuuuuuuuge difference to your overall profits especially now that betunfair want 20% of your weekly profits

[jasonpariah]

take whichever price is best trust me when i say early bookie prices that are bigger than betfair in the mroning make ahuuuuuuuge difference to your overall profits especially now that betunfair want 20% of your weekly profits

Thanks for the reply Street.So looking at this 20% issue at Betfair(is there a link to more info on this),it would pay to use my bookie account regardless of stake?

[Win2Win]

Have a look on www.oddschecker.com and compare the prices through the day. It does mean having a few accounts, but by watching it you'll get a feel which bookies give the best on average....which won't be the Big 3 :)

[Street cry]

generally taking early bookies prices is not ideal, only do it if the odds at the bookies are bigger than betfair obviously calculate comission in to the mix. Remember though that you will only pay the betfair supertax on aprofitable week and if you have been profitable over the previous 60 weeks as a rolling figure. It is also offset against comission paid so as straight punter you may escape it. alternatively use betdaq when i use to bet i use to do it all on the daq and comission is lower and you have no premium charge.

[jasonpariah]

Thanks for the replys.

I am going to go and start my subscription to this and give it a go

[mathare]

I use Betdaq and compare their prices to Oddschecker, factoring in commission. Make sure you have accounts with the bookies offering best price guarantees (Bet365, Stan James, Boyle Sports, Will Hill and some others). With them you can take an early price and get paid out at SP if it is bigger than the price you took.

To factor in your commission the Betdaq odds you're getting must be at least equal to:

([Bookies price] / [1 - commission]) + 1

So if the bookies are offering 4/1 and you pay 4.5% commission then the price on the exchanges has to be at least:

([4/1] / [1 - 0.05]) + 1 = (4 / 0.95) + 1 = 5.21...

You see it's not as simple as just getting at least 5.0 (4/1) on the exchanges due to the commission factor.

[jasonpariah]

I use Betdaq and compare their prices to Oddschecker, factoring in commission. Make sure you have accounts with the bookies offering best price guarantees (Bet365, Stan James, Boyle Sports, Will Hill and some others). With them you can take an early price and get paid out at SP if it is bigger than the price you took.

To factor in your commission the Betdaq odds you're getting must be at least equal to:

([Bookies price] / [1 - commission]) + 1

So if the bookies are offering 4/1 and you pay 4.5% commission then the price on the exchanges has to be at least:

([4/1] / [1 - 0.05]) + 1 = (4 / 0.95) + 1 = 5.21...

You see it's not as simple as just getting at least 5.0 (4/1) on the exchanges due to the commission factor.

I will keep this in mind,thanks for going through the maths for me this will also help me greatly.

[Win2Win]

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